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>> Mayor McComb: good morning.

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Welcome to city hall.
Dawlg meeting to order.

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The and ask pastor kevin

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jennings from mount olive
lutheran church to lead us in

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the commendation and kamil taras

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to lead us in the pledge of
allegiance.
Pastor.
>> good morning.

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Let us pray.

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Eternal lord, ruler of all,

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graciously regard these people,
the mayor and city council and

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those who serve with them who
have been set in authorities

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among us, guided by your spirit
they May be high in purpose,

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wise in counsel, firm in good
resolution, unwavering in duty,

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that under them we May be

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governed quietly and peaceably
through jesus christ our lord,

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amen.
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>> Mayor McComb: thank you.

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Please join me in the pledge of
allegiance.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the united states of
america of and to the republic

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for which it stands one nation

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under God, indivisible with
liberty and justice for all.

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Now please join me in honoring

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the texas flag.

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Honor the texas flag, I pledge
allegiance to thee, texas, one

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state, under God, one and
indivisible.
>> Mayor McComb: thank you

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very much.

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We appreciate you getting us
started here.

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Ms. Huerta, secretary, if you

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would be kind enough to call the

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roll and make sure we are all
here.

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[Roll call had] A quorum of

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the council and required charter
officers are present to conduct
the meeting.
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

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So we have one commendation
today.

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And these are folks that are an

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inspiration and good gambles for
us.

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It is the 2019 national senior

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games participants and
Ms. Huerta will be down to make

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this commendation.
At some point we are going to

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ask you to use your exercise as

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far as being in the games and

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coming on down.
All right.

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The national senior games were
in June of 2019, 0 June 14

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through the 25th in albuquerque,

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new mexico.
And Ms. Guajardo will tell you a

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little bit about this and read
the appreciation to these folks.

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>> thank you, mayor.

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Well I am very proud today to

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acknowledge this group, because

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I got a personal connection here

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to david, mid hour.

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So in 1985 in st. Louis missouri

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a group of southern women formed

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the national senior olympics

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organization or the nsoo.

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With provision to promote
healthy lifestyles for adults

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through education, fitness and
sports later that year they

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hosted a meeting of individuals
who were conducting games for

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seniors in their states.
that group planned the first

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national senior olympic games in

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1987 in st. Louis.
Over 100,000 spectators attended

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the first games ceremonies

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featuring bob hope at the st.

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Louis riverfront arch.
30 local senior athletes are to

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be commended for advancing to
the 32nd national senior games

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after competing in the 2019
texas state senior games, which

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was held March 28 through

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April 11 of 2019 in san antonio,
texas.
This was the qualifying

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tournament for the national
senior games which were held in

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June of 2019 in albuquerque, new
mexico.
Approximately 14,000 athletes

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competed in their appropriate

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age groups, ranging from ages 50

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to 80 plus, in five year age
increments.

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They competed in more than 20

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different sports categories,

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including basketball, swimming,

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table tennis and other sports.

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The city of corpus christi
athletes not only placed in some

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of their events, they also

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brought home gold, silver and

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bronze medals.
>> Mayor McComb: so we commend

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the team members, carlin a wood,

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sam a wood, kennedy, and while I
am calling your name, we want

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you to -- yes.

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So what are you waiting on?
Okay.

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All right.
Caroline atwood.

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Arwood, thank you.

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Sam arwood.
>> doc kennedy.

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Did I pronounce that correctly?
>> yes, you did.

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>> Mayor McComb: all right.

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Jan kennedy.

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bob celso.

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Steve shayer.

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Shevere.

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Okay.

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Steve coronado is not here
either?

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All right.

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George flynn.

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Arnold flores.

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Wayne gray house.

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>> not here.

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>> Mayor McComb: all right.
Mcgriffin.

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All right.

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Sheri grunlauser.

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Rich horn.

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>> jeff lagano.

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David midauer.

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>> he is here.
>> Mayor McComb: I went to

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school with a guy named david
midauer.
Are you him?

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>> why aren't you a part of
this?

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>> we went to ray high school in
1965 and I don't know that I

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have seen you since then.

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>> probably not.

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>> since you got a job on the
team he could be your trainer.

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I will give you a t-shirt.
>> Mayor McComb: in 50 years

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 -- when I saw that name, I said,

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I went to school with him, he I
think.
So good.

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Well, it is good to see you.
Yes, sir.

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I never claimed to have dated
her, though.

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All right.

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James moats.

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Sarah nesta.

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Gene naye, ng.

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Hector ramos.
How many times -- how do these

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people have time to fool with

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all of this athletic stuff if
they are all this busy.
man.

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All right.

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Where did I stop?

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Mary ramos.

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All right.

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Flora ramos.

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Ronnie robinson.

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Doris shultz.

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Gold medalist.
You say over 85?

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In table tennis.
Whoo!
All right!

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[Applause]

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>> malcolm smith.

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Billy stephenson.

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Paul tisdale.
All right.

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[Applause]

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>> Mayor McComb:

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congratulations.

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Susan torrance.

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Elsa valdez.
Guy w at&t s.

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I don't see guy.

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.. All right.
Danny nguyen.

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Well, we want to take all of
these folks for representing the

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city of corpus christi at the
national level and they did a

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great job and it is a wonderful

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group of folks and I don't know,
you know, how you get involved

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in this sort of thing but I tell
you, I don't know how some of

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you even got to the 50 age
bracket.
You don't look that old.
So congratulations.

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>> and you might get a trainer
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>> Mayor McComb: that's right.

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It has been 50 or more years
since I have been in the

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training business but -- and we

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will give there to david. Are
you the spokesman and leader?

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You seem to be collecting all
the data.
well let's get a picture of

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these folks.
This is a great bunch of phones

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and I know they represented
corpus christi well.

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Is it cooler up in albuquerque

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than it is down here?

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No?
[Applause].

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>> Mayor McComb: test test
good job, guys.
Congratulations.

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Good job.

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Thank you for coming.
Congratulations.
Good job.

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Thank you all for coming.
That was fun.

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When you said david -- I went to
a guy named and there can't be

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that many.

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54 years I haven't seen him.

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Looks the same.
Okay.

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We have got that, that, that.
Oh, we have got city manager's

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report and you have 15 minutes,
man.
We are moving on.

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Before you start that, delgado

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is here and last night on the
news, of course, the news gets

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all excited and they just start
hyperstrength laying the first

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time they announce a hurricane
is formed off of africa, but

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what is the latest on this thing
coming across.

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>> is there any talk of florida
coming to the gulf of mexico,

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going up or are we good?

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Too early?
Yeah.

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We should be good, comma, at
this point.
Yes.

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It is after the comma.
.. It is always what is after

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the comma that is important.

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>> yes, sir.

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at this point -- the projection

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 -- it is headed towards east of

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us, so we should be good at this
time.
>> Mayor McComb: okay.

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>> but always keep an eye on it.
>> Mayor McComb: well, start

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beginning to pray for safety for
those that will be impacted by

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it.
Okay.
Sorry, Mr. City manager.

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>> no problem.
>> Mayor McComb: welcome to
corpus

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corpus.
It is hurricane season.

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>> I know.
Actually, this is my first item

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to talk to you about was
hurricane preparedness, so

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that's a great lead in, mayor

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and we do want to acknowledge
prior chief rocha, who is here

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as well as our emergency

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operations coordinator, willie,

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billy delgado who just spoke.
They have done a terrific job

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coordinating and engaging all of

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our city departments to ensure

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that they are prepared for the

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emergency of a potential
hurricane, that we hope not hit

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this year.
They have got our departments

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prepared but also have worked
with several outside agencies

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this season to include the rta
and the red cross, salvation

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army, and food bank on hurricane
preparedness.

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Their team has held over 30 work
sessions with city departments

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and those outside agencies,
every year we have to do this to

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make sure we are prepared and to
talk about evacuation plans.

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They also hosted you play aware

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of an evacuation drill where
they actually bus people up to

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san antonio.
So -- and also last sunday, in

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terms of timeline, last sunday,

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marked the second anniversary of
hurricane harvey I have.

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As you well know real well about

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hurricanes and harvey, this is a

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good time to remind us, the
community of hurricane

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preparedness as Mr. Delgado just
mentioned the hurricane season

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kind of is in the peak right now

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and it runs through
November 30th.
And so we want to make sure that

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our families and their pets and

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property are secured and ready

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in the event of a potential

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hurricane, as chief rocha or
Mr. Delgado will tell us it is

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important to have a family

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emergency plan for hurricanes.
This includes if you plan on

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evacuating know what evacuation
route you should take.

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We should have all disaster

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supply kits that include bottled

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water, nonperishable food,
medication, flash
flashlights

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and battery operated radio as
well as a first aid kit.

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We should write down important
phone numbers and make sure our

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important documents are in one
location to be include birth

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certificates and legal documents
and insurance policies as well.

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The city's website has more tips

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and information on preparing for
hurricanes so we encourage our

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residents if they don't prepare

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this is one way you can get more
information is going to our

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website.
So we want to recognize that and

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know that we are not out of the

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clear yet and we want to thank

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our fire chief and billy delgado
as well for the work they have

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done through the year and thank
you both.

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I am going to switch gears a

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little bit now to why we do have
to be mindful of hurricanes

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because we are right on the
beach and we do have a

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convention and business bureau

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to help us market our community

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and get visitors to come to our
wonderful beaches.

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We know that last week paulette
klugy resigned as chief

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executive officer and I have

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asked the cbb chair, we know
that operation is governed by an

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independent body, but I have ask

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the claire melody nixon bright I
be a part of the team that will

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be put together to select an

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interim cbb director as well as

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the personal meant chief

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executive officer of the cbb.
Today the chair is holding a

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meeting, the first meeting she

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will have to look at securing an
interim ceo and the meeting this

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morning with the statewide cbb

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director, the statewide cbb
operation, they are also meeting

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with other cbb board members in
a recruitment firm and I can't

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be there today but my chief of

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staff is, but melody, the chair
knows that I will be a part of

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that selection process.
We just want to remind everybody

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that city contributes a

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significant amount to this
endeavor to highlight our city.

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We provide $5.4 million in the

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current year budget, so that's a
big sum of money.
It is 95 percent of all of the
revenues that cbb has.

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The city has a bic stake in

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making sure we have a big amount
going forward tcbb current..

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They have 15 full time employees
and three part-time employees,

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and it is also several large
contracts that do promotional

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videos and that type of stuff.

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We know that cbb helps promote
economic growth for our

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community by driving tourism to
corpus christi.

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They also organize conventions
and they market local

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attractions and they coordinate

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services used by tourists in our
convention -- convention guests.

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Currently, the cbb board has 13

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members that the city council

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appoints, so we do have a large

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stake in the cbb operations and
we know it is extremely
important for our community and

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for you, mayor, council, that we
work with cbb to make sure they

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hire a good leader going forward
so I just want to led you let

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you know I am involved in the
process witness stand appreciate

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the leadership of melody nixon

00:24:06.990 --> 00:24:08.701
bryce heading up those
endeavors.
And then the holidays are always

00:24:09.703 --> 00:24:11.904
a great time to two go to the
beaches but labor day is one

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coming up this coming monday.
That will be the unofficial

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close of the summer, and in
observance of labor day next

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monday most of our city offices
will be closed.

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I just with a want to remind you
and the public of some of those.

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That includes city hall, our
public libraries, municipal

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courts so if you want to
to pay

00:24:28.322 --> 00:24:30.189
a ticket, all of those offices
will be closed.

00:24:30.691 --> 00:24:32.691
Other closures include our

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senior centers, our recreation
centers, the gymnasiums.

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We just opened up the after
school latchkey program, those

00:24:40.968 --> 00:24:42.968
will be closed in observance of

00:24:43.437 --> 00:24:46.720
that holiday on monday.
The garbage collection center at

00:24:46.974 --> 00:24:48.974
the jc elliott transfer state

00:24:49.143 --> 00:24:51.277
will be closed.
Regular collection at the curb

00:24:52.646 --> 00:24:55.140
site, though, the garbage
recycling collection stays on
schedule.

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That will continue to happen.

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Another good thing, if people
have time since they won't be

00:25:02.390 --> 00:25:04.390
working they can always adopt a

00:25:04.626 --> 00:25:06.627
pet on monday on that holiday,
because they will be open from

00:25:08.696 --> 00:25:10.696
one with to 5:00 at the animal

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care services [1:00 to 5:00 and
our lifeguards will be on duty

00:25:15.300 --> 00:25:17.271
at our public beaches from
11:00 to 6:00 P.M.

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On that day.
And then the final thing, mayor

00:25:21.977 --> 00:25:24.112
and council is just kind of..
An up at a time on the budget

00:25:24.112 --> 00:25:26.460
development process.
I know we have been working

00:25:26.348 --> 00:25:29.149
pretty hard on that over the
last several weeks, the full

00:25:29.551 --> 00:25:31.551
council and community.

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Tomorrow we have one more work
session, that will be the final

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work session -- actually
thursday, I am sorry.
This we can, thursday will be

00:25:38.394 --> 00:25:39.627
the final work session on the
budget.

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But I did want to thank the
executive team and the budget

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ofice and recent, in recently
completing the five community

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workshops in the districts.
I am pleased to share we had

00:25:54.310 --> 00:25:56.678
close to 150 residents attending
those five community work
sessions.

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Those are held over the past two

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weeks at various times, various
days from 6:00 to 7:00 at night

00:26:04.754 --> 00:26:06.756
and it was great to see the
residents engage I think from

00:26:06.957 --> 00:26:09.358
the verbal comments and some of
the written comments and some of

00:26:10.227 --> 00:26:12.227
the follow-up such as e-mails

00:26:13.663 --> 00:26:16.131
and facebook posts.
The general sense is that

00:26:16.533 --> 00:26:18.533
community really enjoyed more so

00:26:18.535 --> 00:26:21.700
the dialogue with the mayor and
counsel and the staff and the

00:26:21.710 --> 00:26:22.938
fact that we are all there
listening and sharing

00:26:23.474 --> 00:26:25.875
information with them I think
was even more important to them

00:26:26.944 --> 00:26:28.511
than the actual information we
were presenting.

00:26:28.979 --> 00:26:30.979
So that was a great success.

00:26:31.615 --> 00:26:33.615
We are going look to use that

00:26:33.851 --> 00:26:36.552
same format in other important
city matters as we go forward

00:26:37.554 --> 00:26:39.554
and definitely be doing them

00:26:43.161 --> 00:26:45.996
again next year for the budget.
We have a few more opportunities

00:26:46.297 --> 00:26:48.980
if the public wants to comment
on the public.

00:26:48.399 --> 00:26:50.801
We still have two tax rate
public hearings that will be in

00:26:52.236 --> 00:26:54.671
the city council chambers and
one additional hearing on the

00:26:54.872 --> 00:26:57.442
budget that is required by state
law.
That will be in the chambers as

00:26:57.442 --> 00:26:59.910
well.
The first public hearing on the

00:27:00.912 --> 00:27:02.813
property tax rate will actually
occur today.

00:27:03.648 --> 00:27:06.617
That's on our agenda for today,
and then we will have a second

00:27:07.552 --> 00:27:09.887
public hearing on the property
tax rate and the proposed budget

00:27:09.954 --> 00:27:12.589
next friday.
That's a specially scheduled

00:27:12.690 --> 00:27:14.691
meeting because onlies of
schedule adjustments so next

00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:17.629
friday will be the second tax
rate public hearing and also the

00:27:18.764 --> 00:27:20.832
first hearing of the one and
only hearing of the chambers on

00:27:21.734 --> 00:27:23.134
the proposed budget will be that
day.

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And we will also have the first
reading on that day as well.

00:27:29.341 --> 00:27:32.243
And then the second reading in
the budget adoption is scheduled

00:27:34.547 --> 00:27:37.480
for September 17th, so fast
approaching.
When the budget is finally

00:27:37.550 --> 00:27:39.550
approved that day on the 17th it

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will go into effect for
October 1, the first day of the

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fiscal year will be October 1.
So, mayor, that concludes some

00:27:46.625 --> 00:27:49.227
of my remarks a for this
morning.
We want to wish everybody a

00:27:49.963 --> 00:27:51.963
happy labor day and know that

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will be out there on the beaches
safeguarding their enjoyment.

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>> Mayor McComb: good.

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Thank you very much.
All right.

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That gets us then to -- on item
g, on the minutes, we need a

00:28:06.713 --> 00:28:09.150
motion for approval of the
minutes for August the 20th and

00:28:10.717 --> 00:28:13.553
for to the workshop on August
the 15th.
>> move to approve.
>> second.

00:28:13.620 --> 00:28:15.620
>> Mayor McComb: is there is a

00:28:16.123 --> 00:28:18.123
motion 0 and second on item g.

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Any discussion?
All those in favor.

00:28:22.462 --> 00:28:24.764
All those opposed?
All right.
It is passed.

00:28:28.402 --> 00:28:30.402
We are down to maybe get this

00:28:31.705 --> 00:28:33.705
done quick, the board, committee

00:28:34.141 --> 00:28:36.141
appoints of the arts and culture

00:28:38.245 --> 00:28:40.245
commission has three vacancies

00:28:40.281 --> 00:28:42.882
and these are May wroarl
appointees, and council I would

00:28:43.885 --> 00:28:45.885
like to recommend reappointment

00:28:46.321 --> 00:28:48.889
of jodie perks hughes as public
arts, public space and james

00:28:50.892 --> 00:28:53.293
moore as the performing arts
representative and the renal

00:28:53.995 --> 00:28:55.995
statement of sharon sed wick,

00:28:57.498 --> 00:28:59.900
business development group..
For this next term.

00:29:00.435 --> 00:29:02.270
And I would so make a motion.
>> second.

00:29:02.838 --> 00:29:04.639
>> all right there is a motion
and a second.

00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:07.240
Any discussion?

00:29:07.676 --> 00:29:09.676
All a those in favor?

00:29:10.278 --> 00:29:13.130
All a those opposed?
All those opposed?
Okay.

00:29:14.216 --> 00:29:16.750
On the youth steering committee.
Ms. Huerta, do you want to help
us on that.

00:29:22.558 --> 00:29:25.260
>> so for the community steering
committee, there are vacancies,

00:29:26.795 --> 00:29:29.297
three regular members and 178451
resident and this is a committee

00:29:30.165 --> 00:29:32.867
that does, is allowed to make
recommendations to the council

00:29:33.702 --> 00:29:35.702
and they are repping the

00:29:36.639 --> 00:29:38.874
reappoint of lisa torres as the
78415 represetative.. And the

00:29:40.109 --> 00:29:42.109
new appointments of joe

00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:45.140
gonzalez, chris mitchell and per
naah yanez.
>> so moved.
>> second.

00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:47.816
>> Mayor McComb: there is a
motion and second.

00:29:48.184 --> 00:29:50.184
For the community youth

00:29:50.586 --> 00:29:53.489
development program.
Any.. Discussion?
All in favor?

00:29:53.524 --> 00:29:55.391
You got those names?
All right.

00:29:55.592 --> 00:29:58.561
Say aye.
All right.

00:29:59.362 --> 00:30:01.830
Next one will be our senior
companion program advisory
committee.

00:30:01.831 --> 00:30:04.266
There are two vacancies.
>> yes.

00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.680
One at large and 1

00:30:08.638 --> 00:30:10.874
1 scp
volunteer.
They make recommendations to

00:30:11.876 --> 00:30:14.677
council and repping the new
appoint of sandra perez as at

00:30:17.214 --> 00:30:19.683
large member and betsy miller as
the volunteer representative.

00:30:19.683 --> 00:30:21.683
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

00:30:25.188 --> 00:30:27.324
Is there a motion to set those
nominations?
>> so moved.

00:30:27.358 --> 00:30:29.358
>> second?

00:30:30.561 --> 00:30:32.963
Any discussion?
0 all those in favor say aye.

00:30:33.664 --> 00:30:35.664
Opposed?

00:30:36.267 --> 00:30:37.534
Sister city committee has three
vacancies.

00:30:41.939 --> 00:30:44.708
They represent the categories of
industries of one advertising

00:30:45.744 --> 00:30:47.812
public relations representative.
And there are three individuals

00:30:51.616 --> 00:30:53.616
who are seeking reappointments,

00:30:53.652 --> 00:30:55.652
gar dwi go wall, luis cabrera a

00:30:56.221 --> 00:30:58.221
are a with the court and susan

00:30:59.791 --> 00:31:02.250
west horn as senior public -- 
>> move to reappoint.

00:31:02.127 --> 00:31:04.329
>> Mayor McComb: is there a
second?
That's all three, right.
>> yes, sir.

00:31:04.329 --> 00:31:06.664
>> yes, sir.
>> Mayor McComb: motion motion

00:31:06.965 --> 00:31:09.801
to reappoint all three.
And there is a second.
Any further discussion?

00:31:10.803 --> 00:31:12.570
All in favor say aye.
All opposed?

00:31:13.105 --> 00:31:15.139
>> thank you, council.
>> Mayor McComb: we will go

00:31:17.576 --> 00:31:19.760
then to public comment,
writeups.

00:31:19.579 --> 00:31:21.579
At 12:00 o'clock so that worked

00:31:22.381 --> 00:31:25.830
out pretty well.
Mr. Isley and Ms. Huerta would

00:31:26.850 --> 00:31:28.153
you please go over the rules on
the public comment?

00:31:28.688 --> 00:31:30.789
>> citizens are authorized and
encouraged to present their

00:31:31.724 --> 00:31:33.724
views to the council on agenda

00:31:34.260 --> 00:31:36.828
action items or during the
petitions part on nonagreed

00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:40.132
agenda city related matters.
However such should be done in a

00:31:40.233 --> 00:31:43.350
factual, precise presentation
and questions of council or

00:31:44.437 --> 00:31:46.437
staff are inappropriate.

00:31:46.573 --> 00:31:48.774
Loud boisterous profane or
obscene language or behavior is

00:31:49.943 --> 00:31:52.612
not allowed.
>> good afternoon I am city

00:31:52.612 --> 00:31:55.215
secretary rebecca huerta.
i will be conducting the public

00:31:55.215 --> 00:31:57.500
comment period today.
I would like to remind everyone

00:31:57.851 --> 00:32:00.786
that a recording is made of the
meeting.
Please speak into the microphone

00:32:01.155 --> 00:32:03.556
located at the podium and state
your name and address.

00:32:03.990 --> 00:32:06.392
If you choose to speak during
this public comment period

00:32:07.270 --> 00:32:09.362
regarding an item on the agenda,
you May do so.

00:32:10.497 --> 00:32:12.798
You will not be allowed to speak
again however when the council

00:32:15.736 --> 00:32:18.104
is considering the item.
Comments are limited to three

00:32:18.506 --> 00:32:20.907
minutes o 10 podium you will see
a timer under the base of the

00:32:21.208 --> 00:32:23.244
microphone they will let you
know exactly how much time you

00:32:23.244 --> 00:32:25.845
have left to speak.
Once your time is up, a buzzer

00:32:26.447 --> 00:32:28.447
will go off and then you can

00:32:28.749 --> 00:32:31.285
conclude your comments.
If you have a petition or any

00:32:31.386 --> 00:32:33.388
information pertaining to your
subject please present it to the

00:32:33.388 --> 00:32:35.388
city secretary.

00:32:35.390 --> 00:32:37.425
And with that we will start
public comment.
There are four people on the

00:32:37.425 --> 00:32:39.425
list.

00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.599
The first is frederick vaughan,

00:32:50.105 --> 00:32:52.773
usa king the seventh.
>> good afternoon.

00:32:53.975 --> 00:32:55.975
My name is frederick vaughan,

00:33:00.348 --> 00:33:02.583
usa king the seventh -- po box
1181 corpus christi texas.

00:33:04.620 --> 00:33:06.689
And I am here for the silent
majority, most of the citizens

00:33:06.689 --> 00:33:09.900
here in corpus christi.
I am a good listener.

00:33:09.859 --> 00:33:11.859
I have been in this council

00:33:12.561 --> 00:33:14.561
chamber for about 25 years

00:33:15.497 --> 00:33:17.497
listening to what people have to

00:33:17.933 --> 00:33:20.434
say, so to represent all of
those people who couldn't be

00:33:20.536 --> 00:33:23.138
here or couldn't come and don't
have the time to talk to the

00:33:27.176 --> 00:33:29.176
council for mayor, now let's

00:33:31.447 --> 00:33:33.447
take a second to think about

00:33:33.549 --> 00:33:35.549
what -- less talking from the

00:33:38.588 --> 00:33:41.557
council members and a yes or no
vote.
And this will be good for the

00:33:50.834 --> 00:33:52.834
city and our first -- budget.

00:34:04.248 --> 00:34:06.248
The people, the silent majority.

00:34:07.284 --> 00:34:09.852
One minute and 55 seconds.
I am a filibuster.

00:34:28.672 --> 00:34:31.174
I can keep talking.
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presentation]

00:35:01.907 --> 00:35:04.308
>> 58 seconds.
So keep in mind that it is

00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.980
better to listen and if you
don't understand, get a tutor

00:35:36.776 --> 00:35:39.111
later and keep things moving on.
17 seconds.

00:35:40.113 --> 00:35:42.113
>> and this is where all of you

00:35:42.883 --> 00:35:44.883
ivy leaguers out there, there

00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.320
are only seven schools and the

00:35:49.560 --> 00:35:50.389
military academies which are
four, five -- 

00:35:52.590 --> 00:35:54.590
>> Mayor McComb: thank you.

00:35:56.290 --> 00:35:58.290
Tony hartwell.

00:36:22.991 --> 00:36:24.991
>> good morning, mayor.

00:36:26.594 --> 00:36:28.594
Good morning, council members.

00:36:33.367 --> 00:36:36.337
Page 3 like paul harvey says.
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2019 and 2020 -- [

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>> on August the 13th when I

00:36:47.782 --> 00:36:49.782
came here, I noticed that on the

00:36:50.952 --> 00:36:53.855
committee and board, and today,
why don't you all have a

00:36:55.858 --> 00:36:57.858
committee or board

00:36:59.261 --> 00:37:01.261
representatives with Mr. Greg

00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:04.640
smith, council member 4 for -- 

00:37:04.300 --> 00:37:06.467
and one or 2 of the city at
large council members get

00:37:07.236 --> 00:37:09.236
together and form a committee to

00:37:10.306 --> 00:37:11.974
deal with the homeless, the
lawless homeless.

00:37:12.742 --> 00:37:14.742
By the way, thank you, chief, I

00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.312
want to thank you, I want to
thank deputy chief white.

00:37:18.815 --> 00:37:20.916
Captain brady, captain boyles
for them listening to my

00:37:21.517 --> 00:37:23.918
comments when I talk to them.
that they immediately responded

00:37:24.420 --> 00:37:26.420
to my complaint.

00:37:26.723 --> 00:37:28.723
I saw officers on bicycle units

00:37:28.825 --> 00:37:30.825
running the homeless off of the

00:37:31.928 --> 00:37:33.929
expressway underneath the
waldron road exit.

00:37:35.310 --> 00:37:37.433
I even saw them arrested for
panhandling and setting up radar

00:37:37.934 --> 00:37:40.436
for the people coming off the
island with their pickup trucks

00:37:41.171 --> 00:37:43.839
and boats speeding and citing
them for violating the speeding

00:37:44.700 --> 00:37:45.975
limit. You know, this is all..
I am asking.

00:37:46.577 --> 00:37:49.212
All I am asking is for them to
get these people off the
streets.

00:37:49.914 --> 00:37:52.515
Form a committee, get something
going, you May not have a

00:37:53.217 --> 00:37:55.852
million dollars, but you do have
money that you can put aside to

00:37:56.553 --> 00:37:59.155
deal with the homeless and if
you need some help, I would be

00:38:01.893 --> 00:38:04.394
willing to volunteer to get this
going.
Because we need to get a

00:38:05.496 --> 00:38:07.797
committee and a board to get
this homeless issue out because

00:38:10.201 --> 00:38:12.469
I guarantee you, what the police
department did this last week I

00:38:13.404 --> 00:38:15.404
am so proud of them.

00:38:15.906 --> 00:38:18.808
They get kudos from them.
Congratulations, chief.
God bless you all.

00:38:18.809 --> 00:38:21.346
As far as anything else, you
need to get your act together.

00:38:21.346 --> 00:38:24.140
You need to get your officers
out there and get these homeless

00:38:26.510 --> 00:38:28.510
people with dogs running around

00:38:28.153 --> 00:38:30.153
without city tax and showing

00:38:32.690 --> 00:38:35.525
they have ray -- rabies tags
running around improperly.

00:38:37.129 --> 00:38:39.664
You can't have these people
panhandling, using these dogs to

00:38:39.898 --> 00:38:42.767
get drugs or liquor, whatever
they are doing but our council

00:38:43.902 --> 00:38:45.902
member for district 4, please

00:38:46.271 --> 00:38:48.272
get together and decide to do
something that is going to be

00:38:48.273 --> 00:38:50.308
beneficial because you are doing
this for the community.

00:38:50.776 --> 00:38:53.210
We voted for you all.
You all promised a lot of things

00:38:53.378 --> 00:38:55.378
but one of the things you all

00:38:55.581 --> 00:38:57.382
didn't promise was the homeless.
Okay?

00:38:57.984 --> 00:38:59.984
So if you can deal with that, I

00:39:00.520 --> 00:39:02.889
would appreciate it, deeply, and
maybe I will go to page 4.

00:39:02.889 --> 00:39:05.757
You never know.
But all I am asking, mayor and

00:39:06.492 --> 00:39:08.827
city council members and our
representatives for district 4,

00:39:10.229 --> 00:39:12.831
be out there, do the job that
you have been hired to do by

00:39:15.100 --> 00:39:17.269
being voted into that position.
Thank you for our city manager,

00:39:17.437 --> 00:39:19.471
maybe he ought to get with the
city manager of san antonio and

00:39:20.306 --> 00:39:21.874
discuss this issue.
I appreciate it.

00:39:24.143 --> 00:39:25.544
Thank you.
>> Mayor McComb:.

00:39:26.646 --> 00:39:28.780
>> next is corina, I believe it
is winter.

00:39:37.570 --> 00:39:39.158
Thank you.
>> hi.
Good afternoon.

00:39:42.195 --> 00:39:44.597
My name is corina winkler, and I
am, I moved here one year ago.

00:39:45.699 --> 00:39:47.699
I am over on the south side,

00:39:48.350 --> 00:39:50.370
crest circle.
.. And I would like to inquire

00:39:51.672 --> 00:39:54.174
as to why in the world my water
bill is so high here.

00:39:56.710 --> 00:39:59.312
It has been ongoing for a whole
year and finally thought I was

00:40:00.614 --> 00:40:02.614
getting caught up but I am

00:40:03.150 --> 00:40:05.520
learning there are like $50 in
miscellaneous charges, and I

00:40:07.255 --> 00:40:10.190
have called the city on several
occasions when I was behind in

00:40:11.593 --> 00:40:13.994
my bill, just this month alone,
just to get caught up again

00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.202
after I paid $432, it is $238,
and, you know, the solid waste,

00:40:21.202 --> 00:40:23.938
I am not home.
It is just me.

00:40:24.907 --> 00:40:26.907
I am out of town a lot, and I

00:40:27.843 --> 00:40:29.843
don't understand why there are

00:40:29.844 --> 00:40:31.345
these $50 in piss lanes you
charges.

00:40:32.681 --> 00:40:34.681
And solid waste, wastewater,

00:40:35.317 --> 00:40:37.317
almost $40 a month on that?

00:40:37.352 --> 00:40:39.753
It seems exorbitant, over triple
what I paid in utah.

00:40:40.456 --> 00:40:43.570
So I just wanted to see if you
guys could check into this

00:40:43.492 --> 00:40:45.492
matter a little bit.

00:40:46.610 --> 00:40:48.230
Because as a single person I a
know that I am not doing that

00:40:48.230 --> 00:40:51.199
much laundry.
I am out of town a lot.

00:40:52.101 --> 00:40:54.101
I visit family north of a dallas

00:40:54.336 --> 00:40:57.305
and working remote for an
insurance company so this seems

00:40:57.607 --> 00:40:58.807
exorbitant for a water bill,
local.

00:41:01.678 --> 00:41:03.678
Thank you.

00:41:04.747 --> 00:41:06.815
>> constance will take this lady
in the red shirt will take care

00:41:09.885 --> 00:41:11.885
of you.

00:41:15.158 --> 00:41:17.158
Margarita fertila.

00:41:24.734 --> 00:41:27.603
>> good afternoon.
Margaret fertila.

00:41:29.939 --> 00:41:31.939
I am here -- first I want to

00:41:32.900 --> 00:41:34.644
thank each and every one of you
for getting involved so much in

00:41:35.245 --> 00:41:37.245
our community, especially the

00:41:37.548 --> 00:41:39.548
business world.

00:41:41.518 --> 00:41:43.853
And I wanted to bring you here
one of the property that we

00:41:45.956 --> 00:41:47.956
manage, sticks 013 pendleton

00:41:48.392 --> 00:41:50.392
street.. Which is just one

00:41:50.495 --> 00:41:53.296
little lady that is by herself.
She many times believe me it is

00:41:54.198 --> 00:41:56.198
embarrassing to say but she

00:41:56.834 --> 00:41:59.690
doesn't even -- just, flush the
toilet for the whole day just to

00:42:00.271 --> 00:42:03.206
say money so it is so much
unhappiness and I ask what is
the problem.

00:42:04.241 --> 00:42:06.409
The plumbing -- because she is
asking the city, I don't know

00:42:06.878 --> 00:42:09.113
how much she can really have an
answer from the city.

00:42:10.115 --> 00:42:12.516
Somebody that will answer the
phone.
But I really wanted somebody to

00:42:13.418 --> 00:42:15.418
look into that to see why her

00:42:17.922 --> 00:42:20.424
bill is like 100, $100, $120,
when really it shouldn't be, you

00:42:21.426 --> 00:42:23.426
know, this amount, because years

00:42:24.730 --> 00:42:26.730
ago it was like $70.

00:42:27.132 --> 00:42:29.132
And second, the problem is that

00:42:31.237 --> 00:42:33.237
if we look to the ordinance 5533

00:42:33.238 --> 00:42:35.238
in the charter, in the city

00:42:36.575 --> 00:42:38.575
ordinance, and we look there how

00:42:38.710 --> 00:42:40.710
is it awarded, it shows that

00:42:40.979 --> 00:42:43.515
here are, if you are an owner of
the property, doesn't say

00:42:43.749 --> 00:42:45.784
manager, own over the property
and you have tenants there you

00:42:47.353 --> 00:42:49.988
are responsible for water bill.
Doesn't matter if the people

00:42:51.590 --> 00:42:53.758
leave there, don't leave there.
You don't know where they are.

00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:56.962
I think maybe one of the council
men knows about that. We have

00:42:56.962 --> 00:42:59.697
tenants.
They just leave from the middle
of the lease.

00:43:01.768 --> 00:43:04.603
We have no idea.
We, they leave out of town, the

00:43:06.673 --> 00:43:08.673
owners, and you are stuck with

00:43:12.312 --> 00:43:14.312
this huge bill and how -- I

00:43:14.847 --> 00:43:17.750
mean, like landlords, they have
really the responsibility to ask

00:43:19.953 --> 00:43:21.787
the tenants, social security,
driver's license.

00:43:23.230 --> 00:43:24.390
The city should have the same
responsibility.

00:43:25.626 --> 00:43:27.626
How they turn the water on is

00:43:27.894 --> 00:43:30.162
that they want to -- you know,
something that is like belongs

00:43:32.650 --> 00:43:34.435
to me, because after that they
want to know who they go after.

00:43:34.435 --> 00:43:36.936
If I have the responsibility to
go after them, I go after the

00:43:37.972 --> 00:43:39.972
deposit, I go after -- but I

00:43:40.374 --> 00:43:41.741
cannot go for the water for the
city.

00:43:42.476 --> 00:43:44.845
And it is really, I -- if they
want to have this ordinance, it

00:43:45.479 --> 00:43:47.479
has to be enforced and I think

00:43:48.482 --> 00:43:50.783
the people starting from, you
know, the secretary from there

00:43:51.886 --> 00:43:53.886
or whatever the receptionist all

00:43:54.322 --> 00:43:56.322
the way to the end, this have no

00:43:56.424 --> 00:43:58.725
idea, you know, like how they
have to handle the tenants

00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:00.860
because they leave.

00:44:01.396 --> 00:44:04.297
I wish I can catch the tenants
to see -- so why don't you do

00:44:04.298 --> 00:44:07.000
the same thing?
I so I would like to put this in

00:44:07.401 --> 00:44:09.904
the agenda, if possible, to see
what is the procedure in that,

00:44:10.505 --> 00:44:13.474
because if I go and say turn on
the water they say it is not in
your name.

00:44:16.378 --> 00:44:18.879
So it is over and over and over
repeating.
So that came up.

00:44:18.947 --> 00:44:20.681
So I would like to do something
about that.

00:44:20.949 --> 00:44:22.949
So I appreciate your help.

00:44:23.985 --> 00:44:25.985
Thank you.

00:44:26.589 --> 00:44:28.757
>> so now as a courtesy I will
ask if there is anyone who did

00:44:29.240 --> 00:44:31.426
not have an opportunity to sign
up, if they would like to speak,

00:44:34.563 --> 00:44:37.498
if they would indicate so now.
And seeing no one, the public

00:44:39.501 --> 00:44:41.501
comment period is closed.

00:44:42.137 --> 00:44:43.337
>> Mayor McComb: all right,
then.

00:44:46.676 --> 00:44:48.676
We will go to consent agendas,

00:44:52.181 --> 00:44:53.348
and those are items 4 through
20.

00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.519
And if there is anyone in the

00:44:58.521 --> 00:45:01.289
audience that would like to
address or have an item pulled

00:45:04.270 --> 00:45:06.695
for further discussion on items
4 through 20 and you want to

00:45:08.798 --> 00:45:11.467
speak to a particular item, come
forward.

00:45:12.469 --> 00:45:14.469
Seeing no comments from the

00:45:15.672 --> 00:45:18.730
public, we will go to items
4 through 20.
>> mayor -- 

00:45:19.109 --> 00:45:21.109
>> Mayor McComb: and I would

00:45:22.446 --> 00:45:24.446
like -- I would like to have

00:45:25.983 --> 00:45:27.983
number 14 pulled for discussion

00:45:33.490 --> 00:45:35.490
and eight, 9 and 10.

00:45:36.126 --> 00:45:38.795
Mayor could I have number 11 and
12 pulled, please.
>> Mayor McComb: 11 and 12.

00:45:40.798 --> 00:45:42.699
Any others?
All right.

00:45:43.301 --> 00:45:45.301
then I will swain a motion for

00:45:53.344 --> 00:45:55.344
approval of items four, 5, 6, 7,

00:45:59.484 --> 00:46:01.484
13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20.

00:46:01.553 --> 00:46:04.154
>> so moved.
>> Mayor McComb: is there a
second?
>> second.

00:46:04.756 --> 00:46:06.957
>> Mayor McComb: all right.
Any public comment on any of

00:46:08.193 --> 00:46:10.193
those items?

00:46:10.294 --> 00:46:12.294
All in favor say aye.

00:46:20.505 --> 00:46:23.107
All opposed.
Okay.
Okay.

00:46:25.344 --> 00:46:27.344
Item -- and the only reason I

00:46:29.382 --> 00:46:31.850
ask for item 8, 9 and 10, I
wanted to give the city manager

00:46:34.787 --> 00:46:37.522
a chance to kind of, the finance
department and whoever else
about these items.

00:46:38.524 --> 00:46:41.590
I think it is a great thing and
we want to make sure they are
here.

00:46:41.600 --> 00:46:42.594
There is a camera but no
operator.

00:46:43.729 --> 00:46:45.729
But, hey, we are getting better.

00:46:46.633 --> 00:46:49.168
There wasn't even -- huh?
>> he is. There he is hiding.

00:46:50.303 --> 00:46:51.503
>> Mayor McComb: he is hiding?
Okay.

00:46:52.372 --> 00:46:55.340
Tell us on 8, 9, and 10.
This is a great thing for the
city.

00:46:57.176 --> 00:46:59.176
>> okay.

00:47:01.180 --> 00:47:03.715
So on item 8 is the refunding,
that will give us the net

00:47:06.860 --> 00:47:07.420
present value savings of
$4.5 million.

00:47:09.756 --> 00:47:11.756
Now, since we actually drew up

00:47:12.292 --> 00:47:14.292
the numbers for this, the

00:47:14.628 --> 00:47:17.163
interest rate has gone down even
lower so we are expecting even

00:47:17.330 --> 00:47:19.532
greater savings than that.
So that is at the minimum we

00:47:19.966 --> 00:47:22.869
will have 4.5 million.
>> Mayor McComb: that's on
number 8?
>> yes.

00:47:23.404 --> 00:47:24.671
>> Mayor McComb: or all three
of them?

00:47:27.508 --> 00:47:29.175
>> well, the other two are parks
and rex

00:47:31.412 --> 00:47:32.645
recs.. That is not a
refund.

00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:37.850
.. It is a refunding.
That one is part of the savings

00:47:39.621 --> 00:47:42.560
on that one too, the total of
all three is the 4.5 million.

00:47:42.560 --> 00:47:44.324
>> Mayor McComb: oh, okay.
>> it is the total of all three.

00:47:46.427 --> 00:47:49.290
>> Mayor McComb: all right.
Okay.
Well, it is basically refunding

00:47:49.631 --> 00:47:52.265
some existing bonds but we are
getting a better rate, lower
rate.

00:47:52.266 --> 00:47:54.901
>> oh, yes, sir.
Definitely.
>> Mayor McComb: that's what I

00:47:55.102 --> 00:47:56.403
wanted the public to hear the
good news.

00:47:59.942 --> 00:48:01.876
>> usually, usually the you sips
are three to five percent, this

00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:05.780
is actually lower than that.

00:48:05.814 --> 00:48:08.830
The about a basis was like
2.24 percent and now it has

00:48:08.830 --> 00:48:10.830
dropped even further so we are

00:48:12.185 --> 00:48:13.582
expecting a really good rate..
>> Mayor McComb: super.
Any other comments from the
public?

00:48:14.490 --> 00:48:16.591
I just saved you $4 million if
we can get the votes.

00:48:18.661 --> 00:48:21.162
>> yes.
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

00:48:24.330 --> 00:48:26.567
There is a motion to approve and
nine seconds.

00:48:26.835 --> 00:48:29.104
Anyone have any comments on
this?

00:48:29.104 --> 00:48:31.407
All in favor say aye.
All opposed.

00:48:31.407 --> 00:48:33.609
Okay.
Eight, nine, 10.

00:48:49.426 --> 00:48:51.426
Number 11, Mr. Hernandez.

00:48:52.862 --> 00:48:55.564
>> Hernandez: just from a
process point of view, and this

00:48:57.867 --> 00:48:59.867
is process going to, again, is I

00:49:00.570 --> 00:49:02.570
didn't see any other bids.

00:49:02.872 --> 00:49:05.774
How did this come about if there
are no other bids?
>> that is correct.

00:49:06.243 --> 00:49:08.110
There was only one bidder in
this case.

00:49:09.513 --> 00:49:11.513
This company has been providing

00:49:12.516 --> 00:49:14.650
this service under another
agreement.
Fire department felt very

00:49:15.180 --> 00:49:17.180
comfortable about the pricing

00:49:17.287 --> 00:49:19.789
that was turned in from this
bidder, so that's why we decided

00:49:20.190 --> 00:49:21.457
to go ahead and move forward
with it.

00:49:22.392 --> 00:49:24.829
>> Hernandez: is this a normal
process so we only get one

00:49:24.829 --> 00:49:26.290
bidder we are just okay with
that?

00:49:27.365 --> 00:49:29.365
>> I wouldn't say we are okay

00:49:30.301 --> 00:49:33.136
with it, we do evaluate the bid
and do some price comparing,

00:49:33.738 --> 00:49:35.738
make sure that the prices that

00:49:35.739 --> 00:49:38.410
we received are good for the
city, and if we do feel

00:49:38.309 --> 00:49:41.177
comfortable with the rising we
will go forward.

00:49:42.847 --> 00:49:44.847
Typically with that process, not

00:49:45.500 --> 00:49:47.500
always but, again, we do the

00:49:47.152 --> 00:49:49.152
evaluation first before we make

00:49:49.354 --> 00:49:51.689
that determination, that
decision.
>> Hernandez:.
Okay.

00:49:51.890 --> 00:49:53.890
I guess I am just not

00:49:54.192 --> 00:49:56.593
comfortable with doing a single
bid. You know, I have seen it

00:49:57.595 --> 00:49:59.595
over in other entities like

00:50:00.232 --> 00:50:02.232
ccisd and it makes it look very

00:50:02.234 --> 00:50:04.235
 -- it doesn't look very good.
So I don't know if that is a

00:50:05.270 --> 00:50:07.270
policy that we have in place

00:50:07.372 --> 00:50:10.410
that if we need have multiple
bids or if it is just one bid.

00:50:11.343 --> 00:50:14.111
I know we had a couple where we
have had multiple bids but the

00:50:15.547 --> 00:50:17.716
bidder drops out for lack of
communication or -- and then we

00:50:19.819 --> 00:50:22.520
end up with just one bid.
And I wonder if you could look

00:50:23.522 --> 00:50:25.522
at our policy in terms of how we

00:50:25.524 --> 00:50:27.525
 -- what that looks like.
>> yes.

00:50:27.726 --> 00:50:30.662
we can look Councilman.
We can't, as you know we can't

00:50:31.564 --> 00:50:33.564
control the private sector to

00:50:34.167 --> 00:50:35.801
bid on our projects on these
type of items.

00:50:37.203 --> 00:50:39.638
We do want to and we will work
 -- we will move forward on

00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.708
having a good business process
to make sure that companies get

00:50:41.708 --> 00:50:43.708
paid on time.

00:50:45.378 --> 00:50:47.378
That helps us to get good bids,

00:50:49.482 --> 00:50:51.450
and -- but what kim said is -- 
it sounds professional to me,

00:50:52.252 --> 00:50:54.253
which is that we did check the
pricing on this bid.

00:50:55.856 --> 00:50:57.957
I asked about them myself and
the competent, they are

00:50:58.910 --> 00:51:00.910
competitive with other pricing

00:51:01.295 --> 00:51:03.763
that we have seen in other bids
and other contracts so we are

00:51:03.830 --> 00:51:06.432
comfortable repping it today but
we can look at -- 
>>

00:51:06.666 --> 00:51:08.867
>> Hernandez: well we can all
look at our communication to

00:51:10.271 --> 00:51:12.906
particular -- I mean this is..
Probably something that is not
normal that

00:51:13.674 --> 00:51:15.775
that we do.
I mean collision services.

00:51:16.610 --> 00:51:19.312
I don't know how common that is
for the city to go out and bid
for that.

00:51:19.580 --> 00:51:22.149
>> it is not very common.
>> so I think maybe our

00:51:22.149 --> 00:51:24.284
communication process can be
improved in terms of getting

00:51:25.185 --> 00:51:26.385
that information to the other
shops.

00:51:28.220 --> 00:51:30.570
I mean, competition is always
good.
>> correct.

00:51:31.125 --> 00:51:33.461
>> Hernandez: and I have
nothing against bricks shop or

00:51:33.461 --> 00:51:35.897
anything like that.
I know it is close by to our

00:51:35.897 --> 00:51:37.697
fleet facilities but it is
important that we continue to

00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:40.500
try and get as many bids as
possible.
>> absolutely.

00:51:44.600 --> 00:51:46.441
>> Hernandez: thank you.
>> Mayor McComb: entertaining
a motion on item 11.

00:51:46.441 --> 00:51:49.430
>> so moved.
>> Mayor McComb: is there a
second?

00:51:49.945 --> 00:51:51.612
All in favor say aye.
Opposed.
Item 12.

00:52:00.990 --> 00:52:03.292
You had a question on?
>> Hernandez: okay.

00:52:03.292 --> 00:52:05.694
I don't necessarily have a
problem with out how the bid

00:52:05.694 --> 00:52:07.694
@process or anything like that.

00:52:09.198 --> 00:52:11.899
It is just I am concerned about
making sure that we finish on

00:52:12.601 --> 00:52:14.602
time or at least within a
reasonable amount of time, you

00:52:16.138 --> 00:52:18.639
know, I am looking at your
account and they are still
working out there.

00:52:18.908 --> 00:52:21.543
They are not working on the
street.
They are working on the median

00:52:22.612 --> 00:52:25.547
now, but have we made any
improvements or what
improvements are we making to

00:52:25.848 --> 00:52:27.848
maybe sure that these things get

00:52:28.584 --> 00:52:30.584
done on time? You know, it is

00:52:31.153 --> 00:52:33.888
not as important as to the
businesses on everhart but still

00:52:34.990 --> 00:52:36.992
you put a lot of people in
inconvenience in those areas.

00:52:37.494 --> 00:52:39.494
There is a middle school not too

00:52:40.530 --> 00:52:42.832
far away from there on jocelyn
that, you know, people travers

00:52:42.832 --> 00:52:45.167
to get there.
So I just want to make sure we

00:52:47.700 --> 00:52:49.571
are doing what we can on this
and we can get updates on the

00:52:51.674 --> 00:52:53.809
progress of these projects on a
regular basis in
in order to

00:52:55.120 --> 00:52:57.280
make sure we are not putting
people in inconvenience more

00:52:57.681 --> 00:52:59.681
than they have to.

00:53:01.285 --> 00:53:04.220
Trust me, I get a lot of
complaints about -- I am sure

00:53:04.288 --> 00:53:06.589
Councilman Garza actually had a
few as well.

00:53:07.491 --> 00:53:10.192
So it is important that we do
our best as we can to make sure

00:53:11.529 --> 00:53:13.931
these things move as fast as
possible so I will kind of leave

00:53:13.931 --> 00:53:16.199
that open-ended for you.
>> yes, sir.

00:53:16.901 --> 00:53:18.901
And I agree with you.

00:53:19.670 --> 00:53:21.670
One with thing we did is we did

00:53:30.882 --> 00:53:33.484
take a look at -- [Rod field..
]
>>
>> Hernandez: well I know you

00:53:33.585 --> 00:53:36.386
mentioned before that it is kind
of part of their financial

00:53:38.590 --> 00:53:40.590
factor to include some aspect of

00:53:40.758 --> 00:53:42.758
these liquidated damages.

00:53:43.328 --> 00:53:45.328
>> some contractors would bid

00:53:45.931 --> 00:53:48.633
them into their work and they
look at the liquidated damage

00:53:49.334 --> 00:53:51.836
amount and balance that against
the over time premium that they

00:53:55.474 --> 00:53:57.241
pay for working longer hours 0
and based on conversations I

00:53:57.976 --> 00:54:00.211
have had with some of the
contractors I think we May take

00:54:03.216 --> 00:54:05.318
another look at that to help
incentivize them to procure more

00:54:05.318 --> 00:54:07.552
over time.
>> Hernandez: and this May

00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:10.855
need something you need to get
back to us on on a more thorough

00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.559
basis but what is your process

00:54:15.628 --> 00:54:17.896
for change yordz and what has
been done in terms of that to

00:54:19.298 --> 00:54:21.199
make sure those things move as
smoothly if there is something

00:54:21.901 --> 00:54:23.901
unusual that comes up on an

00:54:23.903 --> 00:54:25.903
unexpected line on the ground or

00:54:27.607 --> 00:54:29.607
something like that?

00:54:32.110 --> 00:54:33.612
>> we try to process those as
expeditiously as possible.

00:54:36.249 --> 00:54:38.850
In some cases that can be a long
hold in the -- deliver is

00:54:39.986 --> 00:54:42.788
something that needs to be
deconflicted with an action by a

00:54:42.889 --> 00:54:44.889
franchise utility, and that has

00:54:45.759 --> 00:54:47.759
been the case on some projects

00:54:51.640 --> 00:54:53.766
we have, for example, but
normally the change order is

00:54:55.680 --> 00:54:57.680
where we try make sure that's

00:54:57.710 --> 00:54:58.972
foot the holding up the
progress.
>> Hernandez: okay.

00:54:59.173 --> 00:55:01.375
And are we holding our
engineering firms accountable if

00:55:03.444 --> 00:55:05.645
they Miss These things?
And are they required to not

00:55:07.781 --> 00:55:10.283
only look at city easement -- I
mean, things that our lines that

00:55:11.318 --> 00:55:13.318
are underground but also private

00:55:14.122 --> 00:55:16.423
companies like aep or others?
>> I would say yes, they are

00:55:17.250 --> 00:55:19.927
required to look at that, and I
would say main thing that we do

00:55:21.663 --> 00:55:23.830
is we take that into
consideration when we are making

00:55:24.399 --> 00:55:27.200
selections for future work, how
well they have done in the past.

00:55:27.335 --> 00:55:30.303
>> Hernandez: I mean do you
have a history of the companies

00:55:32.908 --> 00:55:35.643
that are doing this?
>> yes.

00:55:35.911 --> 00:55:37.911
Our project managers are aware

00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:40.800
of where we have had the issues

00:55:40.248 --> 00:55:42.248
with designs on projects and

00:55:43.852 --> 00:55:45.919
that goes into their evaluation
and statement of qualifications

00:55:47.188 --> 00:55:49.891
in selecting firms for new work.
>> Hernandez: okay.

00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.862
Again, it is something that has
been a concern from the past, so

00:55:54.930 --> 00:55:56.930
I would just want to make sure

00:55:56.965 --> 00:55:59.330
it is front topic anything we
have something like this come
up.

00:55:59.802 --> 00:56:02.237
>> I would say it is part of our
discussion any time we make an

00:56:02.237 --> 00:56:03.804
engineering selection.
>> Hernandez: thank you.

00:56:05.240 --> 00:56:06.708
>> Mayor McComb: Mr. Garza.
>>

00:56:07.276 --> 00:56:09.277
>> Garza: yes.
Jeff, I mean, I am comfortable

00:56:11.981 --> 00:56:13.582
with the way the bids are going
to pay.

00:56:15.184 --> 00:56:17.184
But I want to say that my

00:56:18.287 --> 00:56:20.989
observation of the job that
berry is doing for the state.

00:56:23.894 --> 00:56:25.894
They are doing the frontage

00:56:26.296 --> 00:56:28.698
road, I guess from holly rode up
to -- navigation and I

00:56:28.698 --> 00:56:31.200
I
I am
amazed at the project of those

00:56:32.502 --> 00:56:34.803
jobs and I know it is not total
reconstruction but if we could

00:56:36.339 --> 00:56:38.375
have a conversation with them
about what -- how well they are

00:56:38.375 --> 00:56:40.475
doing with the state.
What is the state doing we are

00:56:40.978 --> 00:56:42.978
not doing?

00:56:43.681 --> 00:56:45.681
Or, you know, what can we do

00:56:46.950 --> 00:56:48.950
differently in order to get the

00:56:49.530 --> 00:56:51.454
same type of performance on our
jobs, because they really move

00:56:51.922 --> 00:56:53.922
past in those jobs and I would

00:56:54.758 --> 00:56:57.590
like to see us maybe get similar
performance in our jobs.

00:56:59.764 --> 00:57:02.299
>> I will certainly ask the
question.
>> Garza:.
Perfect.
Thank you.

00:57:02.667 --> 00:57:05.435
>> Mayor McComb: any more
questions?
S in guajardo?

00:57:06.103 --> 00:57:08.104
>> Guajardo: yes just a quick
imlent to confirm.

00:57:08.739 --> 00:57:10.739
It seems the points you made,

00:57:11.509 --> 00:57:13.509
council men -- Councilman Were a

00:57:13.844 --> 00:57:16.412
lot of the points we spoke about
in terms of everhart road just

00:57:17.115 --> 00:57:19.216
in the future isn't it safe to
assume and I hope answer is yes,

00:57:19.617 --> 00:57:21.618
we are going to do these things
on every project?

00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.655
Because we have made -- you
know, the business interruption

00:57:27.859 --> 00:57:29.859
and the concern for how long the

00:57:30.940 --> 00:57:32.963
project is and what happens if
it isn't and those different

00:57:33.999 --> 00:57:36.601
measures we spoke about when the
everhart road was going on.. I

00:57:36.902 --> 00:57:39.236
am assuming and I think I am
correct in saying those things

00:57:40.500 --> 00:57:42.206
are all an assumption for every
project moving forward, correct?

00:57:43.375 --> 00:57:45.375
I just don't know that we need

00:57:45.410 --> 00:57:48.120
to have that conversation every
single time a project comes

00:57:48.113 --> 00:57:50.414
forth, because I would like to
know and believe that we are

00:57:50.750 --> 00:57:53.180
absolutely going to take all of
the measures we discussed

00:57:53.252 --> 00:57:56.154
initially with everhart road,
some of them cake up but I would

00:57:57.756 --> 00:58:00.692
like to know we and make sure
our council members know here it

00:58:02.428 --> 00:58:04.829
is to be done across the boar
board, correct?
>> yes.

00:58:05.798 --> 00:58:08.766
Councilwoman, that is correct.
>> Guajardo: good I just want
to make sure.
Thank you.

00:58:09.369 --> 00:58:11.369
>> Mayor McComb: Mr. Zanoni.

00:58:13.573 --> 00:58:15.573
>> I am going to add to

00:58:16.910 --> 00:58:19.811
Councilman Guajardo and garza.
>> he had several vacancies,

00:58:21.481 --> 00:58:23.481
actually we hired two in the

00:58:23.616 --> 00:58:26.284
past recent weeks but one will
help on the construction side.

00:58:28.121 --> 00:58:30.856
She an engineer, brett van hazel
will start this coming tuesday.

00:58:32.593 --> 00:58:33.793
So that will be a big add to the
team.

00:58:34.828 --> 00:58:37.630
A lot of what we are hearing and
seeing in delays is just a lack

00:58:39.266 --> 00:58:41.266
of oversight and appropriate

00:58:41.268 --> 00:58:43.269
staffing so we will have an
engineer, assistant director

00:58:43.404 --> 00:58:46.206
watching wherever day, helping
to build the leadership team in

00:58:47.108 --> 00:58:49.742
the department and just as a
remind her this budget that is

00:58:52.844 --> 00:58:54.400
subject to approval we add an
additional project manager that

00:58:55.449 --> 00:58:57.650
will help to have fewer projects
per project manager which means

00:58:58.352 --> 00:59:00.352
they can spend more time on each

00:59:00.354 --> 00:59:02.354
project, and so having staff

00:59:02.357 --> 00:59:05.920
more engaged in each one of the
projects as they are under

00:59:06.160 --> 00:59:08.563
construction, managing timelines
and quality and budget will be

00:59:08.563 --> 00:59:11.640
an important component.
But the assistant, for the

00:59:11.165 --> 00:59:12.866
assistant director as well as
the assistant manager.

00:59:13.467 --> 00:59:14.935
i just want to remind us about
that.

00:59:16.203 --> 00:59:18.906
>> Mayor McComb: all right.
Any other comments?

00:59:21.543 --> 00:59:23.543
>> move to approve.

00:59:23.745 --> 00:59:26.280
>> Mayor McComb: 0 on 12 the
motion for approval and second.

00:59:28.650 --> 00:59:29.950
Any further discussion on item
12?

00:59:32.420 --> 00:59:33.654
All in favor say aye.
Opposed.

00:59:35.524 --> 00:59:37.993
All right.
Item 13.
Oh we have already done that

00:59:37.993 --> 00:59:40.610
one, right?
>> item 14, mayor.

00:59:40.563 --> 00:59:42.563
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

00:59:46.680 --> 00:59:48.970
I asked for item 14 if memory
serves me right, this is the

00:59:49.771 --> 00:59:52.730
first time I think we have seen
this item; is that correct?

00:59:52.708 --> 00:59:55.178
Some of the consent agendas
previous -- there is the first

00:59:55.178 --> 00:59:57.412
time we have seen this one?
>> that is correct, mayor.

00:59:57.547 --> 00:59:59.981
There is the first time this has
been place odd ten agenda.
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

01:00:01.851 --> 01:00:03.851
I am a little confused and maybe

01:00:04.887 --> 01:00:06.887
you can help me out here.

01:00:08.124 --> 01:00:10.124
In the background in finding and

01:00:11.728 --> 01:00:13.728
finding, it says beginning in

01:00:15.932 --> 01:00:18.434
02016 and early 2018 the
planning and the esi.

01:00:20.804 --> 01:00:22.804
What is the esi?

01:00:23.390 --> 01:00:25.400
>> that is environmental
strategic initiative.

01:00:25.141 --> 01:00:27.141
>> Mayor McComb: okay.

01:00:27.644 --> 01:00:29.644
Pardon my ignorance, but if it

01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.583
is past abc I am in trouble.
So, led an initiative to

01:00:33.584 --> 01:00:35.584
reevaluate the development of

01:00:36.787 --> 01:00:39.221
the north beach in light of the
realignment of the harbor bridge

01:00:42.250 --> 01:00:44.250
and associated freeway system.

01:00:44.761 --> 01:00:46.761
That was in the memo to the

01:00:48.699 --> 01:00:50.699
council discussing this project.

01:00:52.303 --> 01:00:55.205
And when I get back into the
bones of the material back here,

01:00:55.206 --> 01:00:57.206
there are a couple of things

01:00:58.209 --> 01:01:00.209
that concern me.

01:01:01.110 --> 01:01:03.110
And let me just state from the

01:01:05.950 --> 01:01:07.950
very beginning, if this project

01:01:09.521 --> 01:01:12.122
is in response to the
realignment of the harbor bridge

01:01:13.240 --> 01:01:15.893
and associated freeway system,
is this correct?

01:01:16.561 --> 01:01:19.463
>> I would say hot necessarily
the project.
I would say the planning

01:01:21.533 --> 01:01:24.435
initiative was kicked off due to
the harbor bridge and the

01:01:24.736 --> 01:01:26.736
freeway realignment.

01:01:29.274 --> 01:01:32.760
>> Mayor McComb: well, then,
this is -- what is causing this

01:01:33.879 --> 01:01:35.879
is the new harbor bridge and the

01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.282
realignment of the streets.
>> what caused the planning

01:01:38.284 --> 01:01:40.385
initiative was the harbor
bridge.
>> Mayor McComb: right.

01:01:41.287 --> 01:01:44.122
So whatever is related to that,
that should be a direct result

01:01:45.491 --> 01:01:47.491
of the impact of the bridge and,

01:01:47.593 --> 01:01:49.994
therefore, it all about to be a
mitigation project for the port

01:01:50.429 --> 01:01:53.197
of corpus christi and not on the
city of corpus christi's

01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:55.600
responsibility to deal with
that.

01:01:56.436 --> 01:01:58.737
This is a mitigation project
because they are disturbing what

01:01:58.838 --> 01:02:00.105
exists and a that's what split
gation is.

01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:03.376
They have to offset that so it
ought to be at their expense and

01:02:03.376 --> 01:02:05.376
their project.

01:02:05.812 --> 01:02:08.614
That's I first observation.
I will go on because there are

01:02:08.614 --> 01:02:10.614
more observation here and you

01:02:11.551 --> 01:02:12.984
are not going the like it either
either.

01:02:13.854 --> 01:02:15.854
Then over in the material of the

01:02:17.124 --> 01:02:19.124
project, in the letter from m -- 

01:02:20.600 --> 01:02:22.461
from mott mcdonald, I don't know
if Mr. Mcdonald or anybody from

01:02:24.164 --> 01:02:26.865
that firm is here today.
But it says as a part of the

01:02:27.334 --> 01:02:29.969
north beach redevelopment plan
the city of corpus christi

01:02:31.439 --> 01:02:33.439
evaluated solutions to reduce

01:02:34.740 --> 01:02:36.740
erosion north beach -- habitat

01:02:36.210 --> 01:02:38.210
 -- the break water and break

01:02:39.130 --> 01:02:41.547
water islands will serve as a
protection of the upland

01:02:42.490 --> 01:02:44.490
redevelopment and the proposed

01:02:45.786 --> 01:02:47.200
design of the grand canal
system.

01:02:48.423 --> 01:02:50.657
That has not even been adopted
and we are wanting to spend a

01:02:50.925 --> 01:02:52.925
quarter of a million dollars on

01:02:54.729 --> 01:02:56.630
a project that has not even been
adopted?

01:02:57.332 --> 01:02:59.332
We already spent 50 or 60 or

01:03:01.350 --> 01:03:03.436
maybe up to $100,000 on one -- a
real nice marketing video

01:03:04.739 --> 01:03:07.441
together, which is a beautiful.
Plus we have asked for an

01:03:08.744 --> 01:03:11.645
engineering report from urban
engineering on addressing the

01:03:11.646 --> 01:03:14.281
flooding issue and I hope it is
not a predetermined outcome.

01:03:14.783 --> 01:03:16.584
I don't thinking the, I don't
think it is.

01:03:17.786 --> 01:03:19.787
Urban is a very highly qualified
ethical company so I have a

01:03:20.288 --> 01:03:22.489
great -- I am placing a great
deal of faith in them to come

01:03:23.425 --> 01:03:25.627
back with an answer that will be
factual in terms of the

01:03:27.997 --> 01:03:29.997
potential flooding.

01:03:31.500 --> 01:03:34.101
So I have no interest in
spending, committing a quarter
million dollars to a project

01:03:37.500 --> 01:03:39.907
that hasn't even been adopted.
And second, I have been -- I

01:03:40.243 --> 01:03:42.243
have been to their meeting.

01:03:44.113 --> 01:03:46.113
I have gotten updated and been

01:03:46.616 --> 01:03:49.351
told all they are doing on their
stage and I tell them it is

01:03:50.520 --> 01:03:51.953
wonderful but until we get the
drainage problem solved that's

01:03:52.888 --> 01:03:54.956
the main piece of the puzzle.
In the meeting I was in, there

01:03:58.610 --> 01:04:00.610
was a gentleman there that had

01:04:01.598 --> 01:04:04.133
committed $300,000 plus to pay
for a study to put islands in

01:04:04.868 --> 01:04:06.969
front of north beach because he
had personally had a concern

01:04:08.104 --> 01:04:10.773
about the impact of what the
ship channel and the wave action

01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.809
and all of that was going to be
as a result of the harbor bridge

01:04:15.179 --> 01:04:17.179
project to accommodate the port.

01:04:18.215 --> 01:04:21.150
So why are we wanting to spend
$240,000 to do the same thing

01:04:21.518 --> 01:04:23.518
somebody in the private sector

01:04:24.621 --> 01:04:27.423
has already committed $300,000
for?
I think it is a waste of time

01:04:28.191 --> 01:04:30.191
and putting the cart above the

01:04:32.529 --> 01:04:34.529
horse, in front of the horse.

01:04:34.899 --> 01:04:37.534
But the thing that watered -- 
bothered me po most was, in

01:04:39.870 --> 01:04:42.105
three different times.. That is
one reference in letter to

01:04:42.306 --> 01:04:44.808
engineer that is coming to do
that and it says coastal

01:04:45.543 --> 01:04:47.577
engineering analysis will
reflect current conditions, the

01:04:48.145 --> 01:04:50.980
coastal engineering will include
analysis of water eferl graces,

01:04:53.284 --> 01:04:55.786
wind, wind generated waves,
passing vessel pressure, blah,

01:04:56.187 --> 01:04:59.123
blah, blah so that's the second
time for the pass vessel,

01:04:59.324 --> 01:05:02.226
referencing the big ships coming
in, because you have vessels

01:05:02.594 --> 01:05:04.995
coming in and out of there right
now so the only reason they will

01:05:05.396 --> 01:05:07.998
have a bigger impact is because
they will have bigger ships and

01:05:09.101 --> 01:05:11.369
that's as a result of the harbor
bridge. And
and then over the

01:05:12.204 --> 01:05:14.204
on the next page it says, the

01:05:16.700 --> 01:05:18.243
preliminary design, the, you
know, it benefits the potential

01:05:18.243 --> 01:05:20.978
negative impacts and
interactions of this project

01:05:21.813 --> 01:05:24.482
proposed to the canal system.
So what this basically is, this

01:05:26.619 --> 01:05:29.521
is shall be has convinced the
staff to come before them, to

01:05:32.158 --> 01:05:33.791
come before us and try to garner
another 240 something thousand

01:05:35.461 --> 01:05:37.461
dollars for a project of their

01:05:39.264 --> 01:05:41.264
choosing that has not been

01:05:41.667 --> 01:05:43.468
adopted and we don't know if it
will ever happen.

01:05:43.770 --> 01:05:46.471
we hope it does because it is a
beautiful project but until the

01:05:46.973 --> 01:05:48.973
engineering studies that, I am

01:05:50.476 --> 01:05:52.476
not interested.

01:05:52.578 --> 01:05:54.578
And so I said to, I sent the

01:05:54.680 --> 01:05:57.820
city manager an e-mail and this
was a question, I said, if it

01:05:58.170 --> 01:06:00.170
were not for the realignment of

01:06:00.220 --> 01:06:02.255
the harbor bridge and associated
freeway system, and that's a

01:06:02.623 --> 01:06:04.623
direct quote from the background

01:06:05.158 --> 01:06:07.993
and finding of the memo that
came out, would the city be

01:06:09.290 --> 01:06:11.290
doing this project?

01:06:11.264 --> 01:06:12.965
And the answer was that
that was

01:06:13.767 --> 01:06:16.568
given to the city manager, this
project was identified by the

01:06:19.173 --> 01:06:21.975
north beach proper task force.
Mr. Roy is on that task force

01:06:22.176 --> 01:06:24.176
and I think this comes as a

01:06:24.478 --> 01:06:26.478
surprise to him.

01:06:27.810 --> 01:06:29.248
I pay be mistaken he can speak
for himself but I think he was

01:06:29.483 --> 01:06:32.385
kind of surprised to see this.
It is to look at the creation of

01:06:33.287 --> 01:06:35.721
island and other structures as
break water on north beach.

01:06:36.524 --> 01:06:37.654
It is not related to the tx-dot
-

01:06:38.626 --> 01:06:40.828
project other than the possible
reuse of materials from the

01:06:40.828 --> 01:06:42.828
tx-dot project.

01:06:43.764 --> 01:06:45.764
So who are we to believe?

01:06:46.767 --> 01:06:49.402
Either it is a tx-dot project
because of the bridge or it is

01:06:51.405 --> 01:06:52.639
totally related to the canal
project.

01:06:53.842 --> 01:06:55.842
>> okay.

01:06:57.944 --> 01:07:00.247
I am not sure where to start,
but -- so I will say why I am
doing it.

01:07:01.160 --> 01:07:03.170
Why I brought this forward.
I think everybody is familiar

01:07:04.886 --> 01:07:06.886
with this document and if you go

01:07:07.555 --> 01:07:10.390
under proposition a there is a
project number seven listed that

01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:12.960
says north beach coastal protect

01:07:13.562 --> 01:07:15.997
shuj shun with budge of
$250,000.
and it says preliminary

01:07:16.398 --> 01:07:18.398
engineering and permitting with

01:07:20.202 --> 01:07:22.136
the U.S. Aceglo 0 port of corpus
christi and other agencies to

01:07:22.738 --> 01:07:24.738
the decide and construction of

01:07:24.740 --> 01:07:27.141
new -- of new break water
barriers to mitt fate beach

01:07:27.944 --> 01:07:29.944
erosion and coastal flooding as

01:07:30.813 --> 01:07:32.114
approved in the north beach area
plan.

01:07:33.816 --> 01:07:36.218
Now, the area plan was actually
adopted by council and there

01:07:36.319 --> 01:07:38.520
were two different concepts you
might remember, one that had the

01:07:38.921 --> 01:07:41.122
canal and had the islands and
another one that didn't but they

01:07:42.258 --> 01:07:44.258
were both adopted at the same

01:07:45.729 --> 01:07:47.396
time and that occurred in March
of 2018.

01:07:48.498 --> 01:07:50.199
So that planning effort actually
started around -- 

01:07:51.134 --> 01:07:53.134
>> Mayor McComb: that was done

01:07:54.671 --> 01:07:57.272
before -- by this advisory task
force.
That was before the task force,

01:07:57.574 --> 01:07:59.809
the planning effort started but
the task force came in -- 

01:07:59.809 --> 01:08:01.809
>> Mayor McComb: I mean, it

01:08:08.485 --> 01:08:10.485
states in here -- task force.

01:08:11.588 --> 01:08:14.257
>> dan -- from the planning
didn't.
Yes the sequence of events.

01:08:15.258 --> 01:08:17.258
We worked with the public,

01:08:18.829 --> 01:08:21.498
engaged different stakeholders
throughout 2017 and we did start
the project.

01:08:22.533 --> 01:08:24.167
It was related to some of the
impacts that we were going to

01:08:24.835 --> 01:08:26.835
have related to traffic pattern

01:08:26.937 --> 01:08:29.439
changes from the harbor bridge
project but also wanted to look

01:08:30.410 --> 01:08:31.875
at all of the redevelopment
opportunities that bridge

01:08:32.576 --> 01:08:34.344
removal or shifting would create
for north beach.

01:08:34.945 --> 01:08:36.947
So it was looking at traffic
patterns and also trying to take

01:08:36.947 --> 01:08:39.883
advantage of all of the
opportunities we now had with

01:08:40.919 --> 01:08:42.919
the right-of-way being vacated.

01:08:43.421 --> 01:08:45.421
so it was a region development

01:08:46.157 --> 01:08:48.157
initiative and worked with the

01:08:49.293 --> 01:08:51.161
public, the prac -- planning
commission.

01:08:52.163 --> 01:08:54.731
Several public meetings.
We did develop at the end of

01:08:55.534 --> 01:08:58.350
that we had two alternatives as
jeff mention wed had an

01:08:58.437 --> 01:09:01.380
alternative one that included
the canal system and the break

01:09:02.841 --> 01:09:04.942
waters that were off of the
coast.. And then there was a

01:09:05.243 --> 01:09:07.645
version of the plan that just
had a drainage ditch that would

01:09:09.114 --> 01:09:11.316
have been in the median.
For the most part it was the

01:09:11.316 --> 01:09:13.952
same kind of development
patterns on each project.

01:09:17.590 --> 01:09:18.790
That work was adopted in mark of
2018.

01:09:19.992 --> 01:09:21.992
From there that infrastructure

01:09:21.994 --> 01:09:23.328
task force committee was
created.

01:09:24.730 --> 01:09:27.532
The engineering department as in
most cases took that planning

01:09:28.667 --> 01:09:30.768
project and they used that to
develop potential projects for

01:09:31.271 --> 01:09:33.271
the bond 18 program.

01:09:33.907 --> 01:09:36.408
And that is how this coastal
study along with several other

01:09:37.610 --> 01:09:39.610
north beach projects ended up on

01:09:41.414 --> 01:09:43.414
that list for council approval

01:09:43.516 --> 01:09:44.816
and ultimately approved by the
voters.

01:09:45.918 --> 01:09:47.918
But the study itself I would

01:09:48.822 --> 01:09:50.560
say, I think the answer is
neither.

01:09:52.325 --> 01:09:55.270
The study was identified to look
as a break water system to

01:09:55.529 --> 01:09:57.630
protect north beach.
It is not associated with the

01:10:00.233 --> 01:10:02.468
harbor bridge project.
You know, there is going to be

01:10:02.902 --> 01:10:05.304
future impacts obviously with
different boats and things, with

01:10:05.606 --> 01:10:08.410
the ship channel project that
could impact north beach but I

01:10:08.309 --> 01:10:10.777
think that is a part of what we
will be looking at.

01:10:14.810 --> 01:10:16.810
>> Mayor McComb: well, I can't

01:10:16.917 --> 01:10:18.885
 -- I am not going to support it,
because, one, I think you are

01:10:19.219 --> 01:10:20.786
trying to get the cart before
the horse.

01:10:24.892 --> 01:10:27.227
And second, you are wanting 200
and something thousand dollars
from city.

01:10:30.798 --> 01:10:33.533
You have a private sector
individual that is committed to
300

01:10:34.135 --> 01:10:36.135
300 and something thousand

01:10:36.837 --> 01:10:39.339
dollars to look specifically at
this, and then basically this

01:10:40.775 --> 01:10:42.877
should be a mitigation project
from the port of corpus christi

01:10:44.679 --> 01:10:47.448
and not the city of corpus
christi.
That's my comments.

01:10:47.482 --> 01:10:49.482
I will take some other comment

01:10:50.552 --> 01:10:53.187
and see where we go.
Mr. Smith.
>> Smith:.

01:10:54.155 --> 01:10:57.570
Thank you n reviewing that, I do
see one of the study areas.. Is

01:10:57.860 --> 01:10:59.860
the ship traffic to hydraulic

01:11:00.329 --> 01:11:01.562
impact from the waves; is that
correct?

01:11:02.965 --> 01:11:05.700
>> that is correct.
>> Smith: and you mentioned

01:11:06.501 --> 01:11:08.501
March of 2018 that is kind of

01:11:10.506 --> 01:11:12.506
when some of this originated?

01:11:12.541 --> 01:11:14.541
And I am making this comment to

01:11:14.643 --> 01:11:16.812
follow up with the mayor.
So the foundation that is

01:11:19.248 --> 01:11:22.217
committed to $300,000 to the
study.
I think most of us have been

01:11:22.919 --> 01:11:24.919
there and -- in the offices and

01:11:25.121 --> 01:11:27.822
seen it and it is to do exactly
with what we are talking about,

01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:32.760
spending this $250,000 for us to

01:11:33.230 --> 01:11:35.764
facility the permitting process,
focused there on the islands.

01:11:36.733 --> 01:11:38.733
And I am a bit concerned that we

01:11:40.837 --> 01:11:43.105
have got some redundancy since
this $250,000 was set aside

01:11:46.342 --> 01:11:48.342
before the foundation the got

01:11:49.112 --> 01:11:51.112
involved with it and are we

01:11:51.648 --> 01:11:54.500
double spending the money on it.
And personally I would like to

01:11:57.521 --> 01:12:00.289
wait and find those questions
out.
We have one set working one way

01:12:00.390 --> 01:12:02.390
and another set working another

01:12:03.727 --> 01:12:06.960
on there.
So, again, from what I
I

01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:08.231
understand from the foundation
they are doing exactly what we

01:12:08.332 --> 01:12:10.332
are talking about here.

01:12:10.768 --> 01:12:12.768
There is something, some mention

01:12:12.970 --> 01:12:14.970
on coordination, but are we

01:12:15.206 --> 01:12:17.107
truly coordinating with it, they
have hired and somebody in

01:12:20.211 --> 01:12:22.812
charge of this project.
They involve engineers and other

01:12:24.140 --> 01:12:26.140
kind of coastal information.

01:12:26.117 --> 01:12:28.519
So until I hear back, I am not
comfortable supporting this

01:12:29.954 --> 01:12:31.954
where we are just throwing 1

01:12:32.624 --> 01:12:34.926
dollar after another, duplicate
effort, taxpayers pay the price.

01:12:34.926 --> 01:12:36.926
Thank you.

01:12:37.362 --> 01:12:39.363
>> Mayor McComb: Ms. Guajardo.
>> Guajardo: thank you.

01:12:42.534 --> 01:12:44.534
Well, to follow up, I guess my

01:12:44.803 --> 01:12:46.803
point would be, I understand

01:12:48.730 --> 01:12:50.730
somebody just said it isn't in

01:12:50.676 --> 01:12:53.444
relation to -- to any particular
project.

01:12:54.146 --> 01:12:56.146
However, whichever option we end

01:12:56.681 --> 01:12:59.149
up going with in terms of the
north beach area, in terms of

01:13:03.589 --> 01:13:05.589
the drainage, will both include

01:13:05.858 --> 01:13:07.858
this aspect of, you know, the

01:13:10.620 --> 01:13:12.964
break waters and the protection
of the land there.

01:13:15.968 --> 01:13:17.968
So again, to your point, I feel

01:13:18.710 --> 01:13:19.905
like -- I the I that is
forthcoming.

01:13:20.206 --> 01:13:22.908
The options of where we are
going and there is -- this is a

01:13:23.242 --> 01:13:25.978
piece of that.
This is a piece of that puzzle

01:13:26.446 --> 01:13:28.446
as well.

01:13:29.820 --> 01:13:31.820
I am not sure why we would do

01:13:31.684 --> 01:13:33.684
this now before we see those as

01:13:33.719 --> 01:13:36.622
the mayor said before we see
what Mr. Urban comes back with,

01:13:37.624 --> 01:13:40.326
and then this be a part of that
discussion.
I don't think anybody up here

01:13:42.829 --> 01:13:45.300
doubts -- or negates that break
waters, you know, that's an

01:13:45.832 --> 01:13:48.601
issue, and something this -- 
this item is something that
needs to be addressed.

01:13:49.350 --> 01:13:51.336
It is just a matter of how we
are going to do it and to me

01:13:51.638 --> 01:13:53.638
that is tied in very much with,

01:13:53.841 --> 01:13:56.142
you know, the project that
hopefully we go the forthwith,

01:13:56.944 --> 01:13:59.746
whichever it is in terms of
drainage.
So for me I think I would like

01:14:01.381 --> 01:14:04.284
to discuss it as a whole, even
though it is a separate issue

01:14:05.385 --> 01:14:07.385
and I appreciate you saying

01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:10.880
that, Mr. Mcginn.

01:14:10.458 --> 01:14:12.960
>> mayor I May I ask to clarify.
So the urban engineering stud

01:14:13.861 --> 01:14:15.861
date is almost complete now that

01:14:16.364 --> 01:14:18.364
city funded is studying this

01:14:18.366 --> 01:14:20.100
channel, the channel tapped
drainage system which is

01:14:20.901 --> 01:14:23.269
different than this study.
This is a study of the break

01:14:24.305 --> 01:14:27.730
water so they are mutually
exclusive.
Invest can probably elaborate on

01:14:28.376 --> 01:14:30.770
any -- if I am misspeaking on
any engineering terms but I

01:14:31.113 --> 01:14:33.800
don't think to the two are
necessarily using similar data

01:14:35.160 --> 01:14:37.251
or any data, they are kind of
mutually exclusive studies.

01:14:37.419 --> 01:14:40.220
>> Guajardo: but the plans,
both plans you talk about,

01:14:41.122 --> 01:14:43.457
whatever they are called, like
number one and two or a and b,

01:14:44.994 --> 01:14:46.994
both of those plans and this was

01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:49.960
back when this all was being

01:14:49.298 --> 01:14:51.299
presented included break waters
as the

01:14:52.835 --> 01:14:55.736
does, I believe, the
plans that urban is working on,

01:14:56.638 --> 01:14:58.439
doesn't it?
Everett?

01:14:59.410 --> 01:15:01.750
Doesn't break -- I mean this
issue, I know it is separate, it

01:15:01.343 --> 01:15:03.745
is separate from that, and I do
understand that, but it is part

01:15:06.649 --> 01:15:08.649
of both plans overall.

01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:12.387
>> just for clarification, the
alternative one does not have

01:15:12.722 --> 01:15:14.722
the a break water islands on it.

01:15:15.257 --> 01:15:17.358
It was just the alternative 2 -- 
but you could incorporate the

01:15:18.227 --> 01:15:19.427
break waters without having the
canal.

01:15:22.320 --> 01:15:23.599
They are not dependent on each
other.

01:15:28.204 --> 01:15:30.204
>> Mayor McComb: well, I mean,

01:15:32.508 --> 01:15:34.508
the fact of the matter is, until

01:15:34.510 --> 01:15:36.645
we know -- I mean, if urban
comes back, unless they already

01:15:38.215 --> 01:15:41.117
have a predetermined, like I
said, that they have solved it

01:15:43.754 --> 01:15:45.888
with a ditch, if they come back
and it is not just beyond a

01:15:46.223 --> 01:15:48.858
reasonable doubt but beyond any
doubt that that solves the

01:15:50.260 --> 01:15:52.260
flooding problem over there, and

01:15:52.462 --> 01:15:54.462
that project doesn't go forth,

01:15:56.767 --> 01:15:58.767
well, all through Mr. Mott's

01:16:00.204 --> 01:16:02.204
letter it is all tied to aiding

01:16:02.206 --> 01:16:04.407
and assisting in that canal
project that we are going to do

01:16:06.544 --> 01:16:09.245
a lot of study, if we are just
trying to break the wave action

01:16:09.980 --> 01:16:11.980
and the water being pushed up on

01:16:12.830 --> 01:16:13.784
the beach because of the big
ships coming in.

01:16:14.219 --> 01:16:17.121
That's a mitigation he project
for port of corpus christi so it

01:16:17.355 --> 01:16:20.124
gets to my point why are we
spending a quarter of 0 a
million dollars on a problem we

01:16:20.391 --> 01:16:22.993
don't have and already have a
commitment of 300,000 from a

01:16:23.428 --> 01:16:26.396
private sector individual to
study the problem that we are

01:16:26.731 --> 01:16:29.990
fixing to spend another quarter
million dollars on?

01:16:30.135 --> 01:16:32.135
So you have two things.

01:16:32.538 --> 01:16:34.538
One, according to Mr. Mott, he

01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:37.408
is tied to the hip in that canal
project, according to his
letter.

01:16:38.543 --> 01:16:40.543
And, two, we are double spending

01:16:40.946 --> 01:16:43.781
in terms of what the private
sector is willing to do and we

01:16:46.184 --> 01:16:48.820
are willing to do it before the
project even gets off the ground

01:16:50.322 --> 01:16:52.590
and tell the port this is your
baby on this mitigation project.

01:16:53.259 --> 01:16:55.193
You wanted the harbor project so
bigger ships can come in.

01:16:56.562 --> 01:16:59.297
As a result you are producing
this additional wave action.

01:16:59.565 --> 01:17:02.166
North beach has been that way
for 100 years and it is going to

01:17:03.168 --> 01:17:05.704
exacerbate the problem with the
new harbor bridge with these

01:17:06.272 --> 01:17:08.574
bigger ships coming in.
And that's an expense that we

01:17:09.175 --> 01:17:12.770
would not have had to address
had it not been for the new
harbor bridge.

01:17:13.413 --> 01:17:15.914
So it is a mitigation problem.
Explain to me why it is not and

01:17:15.982 --> 01:17:18.483
I will shut up.
>> I am not going to disagree

01:17:19.919 --> 01:17:22.621
with you on that, I think that
argument can be made.

01:17:23.857 --> 01:17:25.857
And I am not super familiar with

01:17:25.859 --> 01:17:28.600
the work that they are doing
independently -- 
>> Mayor McComb: well, maybe

01:17:28.795 --> 01:17:31.163
we ought to table this until we
can get both parties in the room

01:17:31.698 --> 01:17:34.300
to say wht are you studying and
what are we studying and if you

01:17:34.934 --> 01:17:37.436
both are walking down the same
aisle then you don't need to

01:17:37.637 --> 01:17:39.338
spend twice the money.
>> yes.

01:17:40.908 --> 01:17:42.742
Mayor, so I just did get some
information.

01:17:45.379 --> 01:17:47.680
The two groups are doing two
different separate studies.

01:17:47.748 --> 01:17:49.882
They complement each other but
we can table this if you would

01:17:52.252 --> 01:17:53.586
like and come back with a better
presentation.

01:17:54.454 --> 01:17:57.123
And just to be clear, so both
firms are doing work in the same

01:17:57.392 --> 01:17:59.392
geographic area, but they are

01:18:00.161 --> 01:18:02.996
looking at different aspects, so
this -- our firm would look at

01:18:02.997 --> 01:18:05.932
wave action and the impact that
would have on the lexington, and

01:18:06.634 --> 01:18:08.602
this entheir firm, who is
actually engaged already, is

01:18:10.938 --> 01:18:12.772
looking at other aspects of -- 
>> Mayor McComb: lease see

01:18:13.474 --> 01:18:15.576
what we are getting before we,
let's see what we are getting

01:18:15.911 --> 01:18:17.311
before we spend a quarter
million dollars.

01:18:17.913 --> 01:18:20.214
>> I would suggest we table this
today and come back and show you

01:18:20.916 --> 01:18:22.583
what both firms are doing and
clear away -- 

01:18:23.318 --> 01:18:25.152
>> Mayor McComb: let's first
finish our conversation because

01:18:25.553 --> 01:18:27.553
want to get to Mr. Roy because

01:18:28.220 --> 01:18:30.900
me is on the task force and I
think he is not even aware this

01:18:32.228 --> 01:18:34.228
was going on.

01:18:34.396 --> 01:18:36.396
Mr. Barrera.

01:18:36.732 --> 01:18:38.966
>> Roy: thank you, mayor and I
would agree with tabling.

01:18:40.569 --> 01:18:42.569
I just want to -- so what

01:18:44.706 --> 01:18:46.706
prompted us to put this on bond

01:18:47.843 --> 01:18:50.680
2018 and what are the, I guess,
what are -- well, I guess answer

01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:52.680
that question, in unone.

01:18:53.482 --> 01:18:55.717
>> okay.
So what happened, we had a

01:18:59.188 --> 01:19:01.188
series of workshops starting in

01:19:02.191 --> 01:19:04.325
May of 2017, when we were
developing the bond program and

01:19:05.528 --> 01:19:08.164
what was going to be on the
bond.
And during those workshops we

01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:12.800
kind of had a placeholder for

01:19:13.737 --> 01:19:16.505
north be beach projects north
beach projects sort of tbd.

01:19:19.608 --> 01:19:20.766
Now through the planning effort
that dan led with north beach,

01:19:23.246 --> 01:19:25.246
they came up with a list of 33

01:19:25.482 --> 01:19:27.183
potential projects for north
beach.

01:19:31.210 --> 01:19:33.856
.. So what staff did is we wound
up narrowing that down to four

01:19:34.910 --> 01:19:36.492
and it was basically coming up
with some projects that would

01:19:38.610 --> 01:19:40.610
fit within the budget that we

01:19:40.197 --> 01:19:42.197
had kind of set aside for

01:19:42.433 --> 01:19:45.202
authority beach and that, north
beach.. And tried to line one

01:19:45.436 --> 01:19:48.104
their priorities and this was
just selected as one of those.

01:19:48.105 --> 01:19:50.105
And it was obviously not going

01:19:50.107 --> 01:19:52.208
to implement the project but it
was a promise that there was

01:19:54.778 --> 01:19:56.778
some interest in over there, and

01:19:56.814 --> 01:19:58.814
it was to study it and look at

01:19:59.216 --> 01:20:01.216
the feasibility and the

01:20:02.320 --> 01:20:05.255
environmental permitting and
start of, kind of start that

01:20:05.690 --> 01:20:07.991
ball rolling so that's how it
got on the bond.
>> okay.

01:20:08.259 --> 01:20:10.259
I appreciate that.

01:20:11.663 --> 01:20:13.663
And this is probably, possibly a

01:20:14.665 --> 01:20:16.665
 -- so then, with all that has

01:20:17.302 --> 01:20:19.302
transpired, what is our

01:20:20.305 --> 01:20:22.305
obligation to the public since

01:20:23.241 --> 01:20:25.241
they have already voted to

01:20:26.278 --> 01:20:28.746
approve this particular project?
And do we have an obligation to

01:20:31.216 --> 01:20:33.216
see it through?

01:20:34.253 --> 01:20:35.920
>> the public authorized the
funding of the bond.
>> yes.

01:20:36.655 --> 01:20:38.655
>> that doesn't mandate that the

01:20:40.226 --> 01:20:41.759
project be done.
>> all right.

01:20:45.297 --> 01:20:47.297
Thank you very much.

01:20:47.833 --> 01:20:49.833
>> Mayor McComb: Mr. Roy.

01:20:50.869 --> 01:20:52.869
>> Roy: thank you.

01:20:55.808 --> 01:20:58.210
So going back, and looking at
this, the event that have taken

01:21:00.813 --> 01:21:02.813
place, I guess, the -- I think

01:21:03.816 --> 01:21:05.816
it is pretty apparent that the

01:21:07.553 --> 01:21:10.210
bond was -- it was passed by the
voters, and then that bond, it

01:21:10.424 --> 01:21:12.625
seems like it was fairly
specific in terms of what the

01:21:16.290 --> 01:21:18.831
use of the money was for.
What I haven't seen, and I am a

01:21:20.333 --> 01:21:22.333
part of that task force, is I

01:21:25.710 --> 01:21:27.710
haven't seen anything in writing

01:21:29.877 --> 01:21:32.445
from anyone pledging $300,000,
being specific in terms of what

01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:35.381
they are going to use those
moneys for.

01:21:36.383 --> 01:21:38.383
0, which I do think is an

01:21:40.220 --> 01:21:42.989
important piece, because I do
think that we want to make sure

01:21:43.423 --> 01:21:45.459
there isn't duplication, but I
haven't seen a letter.

01:21:46.427 --> 01:21:48.427
I haven't had a conversation in

01:21:50.164 --> 01:21:52.164
terms of stating that -- and to

01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.199
your knowledge, is there a

01:21:55.360 --> 01:21:57.360
specific letter or anyone in

01:21:57.772 --> 01:21:59.772
staff that shows this 300,000

01:22:01.542 --> 01:22:03.542
that the private individual said

01:22:04.790 --> 01:22:05.312
that they would put toward this
project?

01:22:06.181 --> 01:22:08.349
>> I don't think we have a
letter, Councilman, but we have

01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:12.786
had conversations with the north
beach group.

01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:16.880
A few of us had a staff person

01:22:16.691 --> 01:22:18.692
that is helping to manage that
contract, that person is not

01:22:19.695 --> 01:22:21.695
here this afternoon, so we could

01:22:21.897 --> 01:22:23.897
ask him, but he is actually a

01:22:24.299 --> 01:22:26.299
contract employee, so I don't

01:22:26.568 --> 01:22:29.136
believe we have a letter, but we
have been just verbally briefed

01:22:30.305 --> 01:22:32.340
on it.
>> Roy: that's the only thing.

01:22:32.507 --> 01:22:34.709
I do want to make sure.
I think it would be a good idea

01:22:39.215 --> 01:22:41.215
for the task sit down and I want

01:22:43.353 --> 01:22:46.187
to make sure that this -- that
there is some coordination in

01:22:49.925 --> 01:22:52.160
terms of this project, because I
do think that is significant.

01:22:53.362 --> 01:22:55.464
If you are saying you have
additional information or

01:22:55.965 --> 01:22:58.801
somebody said oh let me specify
now that the 300,000 -- I am

01:22:58.969 --> 01:23:01.370
going to put in here it is going
to be for this type of study and

01:23:01.805 --> 01:23:03.805
it is a little bit different

01:23:03.940 --> 01:23:06.541
because of xyz, we need to
understand that.

01:23:06.543 --> 01:23:09.440
We really do.
I am not saying we disagree or

01:23:10.460 --> 01:23:12.748
don't agree in terms of its
validity or its need, but I

01:23:13.350 --> 01:23:16.285
think there needs to just be a
better coordination here and I

01:23:20.757 --> 01:23:22.757
also think that there needs to

01:23:23.593 --> 01:23:25.795
be -- and being a task force
memberly definitely address that

01:23:27.998 --> 01:23:29.998
with the task force.

01:23:30.334 --> 01:23:32.334
And urge that we have better

01:23:32.370 --> 01:23:34.370
communication between the two.

01:23:34.372 --> 01:23:36.372
Thank you.

01:23:39.109 --> 01:23:41.978
>> Mayor McComb: Mr. Hernandez
Mr. Hernandez.
>> Hernandez: okay.

01:23:43.280 --> 01:23:45.280
You had referenced the contract

01:23:47.180 --> 01:23:48.986
worker that was the liaison for
this.

01:23:50.521 --> 01:23:52.689
I believe he is going away.
Jerry shoumaker.

01:23:53.524 --> 01:23:55.524
>> jerry shoumaker.

01:23:55.727 --> 01:23:57.394
>> Hernandez: you have
somebody replacing him.

01:23:58.429 --> 01:24:01.231
>> brett van hazel.
He will be a full-time licensed

01:24:01.833 --> 01:24:04.301
engineer, assistant director,
replacing a contract employee.

01:24:06.371 --> 01:24:08.773
>> Hernandez: okay.
And I could be wrong on this,

01:24:09.174 --> 01:24:11.174
but as I recall from my

01:24:11.810 --> 01:24:14.712
attending some of these
meetings, the contract we are

01:24:15.347 --> 01:24:17.347
looking at is just looking at

01:24:17.649 --> 01:24:20.250
wave action, break water, what
it could possibly do to the

01:24:21.887 --> 01:24:23.188
beach, erosion, that type of
information.

01:24:24.356 --> 01:24:26.356
I believe the company hired by

01:24:26.358 --> 01:24:28.760
the rochelle foundation, I think
it is called lloyd engineering,

01:24:30.296 --> 01:24:32.296
is looking at the environmental

01:24:33.365 --> 01:24:36.100
impact associated with putting
barrier islands in, what that

01:24:37.269 --> 01:24:39.269
would mean environmentally, not

01:24:39.272 --> 01:24:41.272
necessarily what it would do

01:24:41.274 --> 01:24:44.900
break water wise so I think they
are looking at completely
different areas.

01:24:45.912 --> 01:24:47.846
I would have liked to ask
Mr. Shoumaker if he has that

01:24:48.470 --> 01:24:50.382
information for us specifically.
I don't know the specific
amount.

01:24:50.950 --> 01:24:53.351
It is a private company doing
it.
It is not something that is

01:24:54.353 --> 01:24:57.155
necessarily a part of that, but
i think they are looking at two

01:24:57.659 --> 01:24:59.659
completely separate areas with

01:25:01.128 --> 01:25:03.796
regards to these barrier islands
islands.
It is one of those things where

01:25:05.265 --> 01:25:07.533
I think, you know, we May be
looking at this -- you know, we

01:25:08.340 --> 01:25:10.736
need to take a good look at it
and make sure we are all on the

01:25:11.370 --> 01:25:13.772
the same page but I don't think
there is anything nefarious
going on.

01:25:15.420 --> 01:25:17.420
Thank you.

01:25:18.178 --> 01:25:21.147
>> Mayor McComb: Mrs. Gaw
largo.
>> Guajardo:.

01:25:23.884 --> 01:25:26.819
>> Ms. Gaw largo.
Mr. Smith?
>> I would just like to comment

01:25:28.222 --> 01:25:30.523
that in the longer view on
there, our most vulnerable area

01:25:31.324 --> 01:25:33.660
in this to town is north beach,
the storm impact.

01:25:34.762 --> 01:25:36.762
And the 1919 storm, where that

01:25:36.898 --> 01:25:38.632
is going to be our
hundred/100ths anniversary in a

01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:41.301
couple of weeks with that, 287
people died.

01:25:42.303 --> 01:25:43.536
So we need to spend our money
wisely.

01:25:44.505 --> 01:25:47.600
We played to -- we need to make
sure our horses are going in the

01:25:47.342 --> 01:25:49.409
same direction between the
foundation and staff.

01:25:50.111 --> 01:25:52.111
But I there any the long view

01:25:53.248 --> 01:25:55.248
that we have some protection

01:25:55.717 --> 01:25:57.717
from a vulnerable north beach.

01:25:58.419 --> 01:25:59.653
We shouldn't lose sight of that.
Thanks.

01:26:00.722 --> 01:26:02.756
>> Mayor McComb: Mr. Roy?
>> Roy: the last thing I want

01:26:06.695 --> 01:26:08.695
to say is, you know,.. With we

01:26:08.697 --> 01:26:10.697
make assumptions and that is

01:26:10.866 --> 01:26:13.434
really why I listen to
Councilman Hernandez in terms of
what he says.

01:26:14.536 --> 01:26:16.536
It seems like it is not

01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:19.607
nefarious in terms of what I
have heard.

01:26:20.275 --> 01:26:22.777
We really, you know, we want to
make sure that that

01:26:23.440 --> 01:26:25.614
communication is one that,
number one, is documented and

01:26:27.830 --> 01:26:29.217
that we all have a really strong
understanding in terms of what

01:26:30.820 --> 01:26:33.722
each party is doing and what -- 
you know, we have got a private

01:26:35.891 --> 01:26:38.827
developer that is involved here
that we have a smart group of
people.

01:26:39.128 --> 01:26:41.128
I think at the end of the day,

01:26:41.130 --> 01:26:44.660
everybody wants the right thing
for north beach, but I really

01:26:45.350 --> 01:26:47.350
think that we need to make sure

01:26:47.570 --> 01:26:49.570
that there is a process where

01:26:52.408 --> 01:26:54.309
that communication is such that
one hand understands what the

01:26:54.644 --> 01:26:56.644
other hand is doing.

01:26:57.547 --> 01:26:59.550
And if satisfy is getting that
information, because you have

01:26:59.550 --> 01:27:01.550
the privilege of working with

01:27:01.652 --> 01:27:03.652
him on a daily basis and you are

01:27:04.540 --> 01:27:06.540
sitting down and you have that

01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:07.289
information, then it needs to be
shared.

01:27:08.158 --> 01:27:10.158
And it needs to be shared so

01:27:10.160 --> 01:27:12.160
that we have that understanding.

01:27:13.363 --> 01:27:16.165
And like I said, I am on the
task force and I want to make

01:27:18.969 --> 01:27:21.204
sure that we do a good job of
communicating so that -- because

01:27:21.472 --> 01:27:23.472
we have an obligation to the

01:27:25.176 --> 01:27:27.944
public to make sure that we -- 
we are continuing to do the
right thing.

01:27:28.245 --> 01:27:30.980
So thank you.
>> we have made an effort to be

01:27:32.983 --> 01:27:35.886
sure these efforts are
complementary and I have no

01:27:36.421 --> 01:27:38.755
problem requesting their scope.
I don't know if they are under

01:27:39.724 --> 01:27:42.325
any obligation to provide it,
but I don't think there would be

01:27:42.794 --> 01:27:45.462
any unwillingness for them to
freeway scope that the other

01:27:47.932 --> 01:27:50.534
engineering firm is working on.
>> Mayor McComb: Mr. Hunter?

01:27:51.703 --> 01:27:53.104
>> Hunter: thank you.
Mayor.

01:27:56.775 --> 01:27:59.677
When we were discussing this
maybe I am a lone wolf but I

01:28:00.545 --> 01:28:02.714
remember you all saying that the
research project was going to be

01:28:02.714 --> 01:28:05.516
over two different issues.
One was going to be more..

01:28:05.817 --> 01:28:07.817
Water oriented and the other one

01:28:08.653 --> 01:28:11.623
was going to be more land
oriented.
Is that incorrect?

01:28:11.757 --> 01:28:13.757
>> are you talking about the

01:28:13.893 --> 01:28:16.861
canal study, the urban -- 
>> versus the -- yes.

01:28:17.896 --> 01:28:19.896
I don't think there is a lot of

01:28:21.200 --> 01:28:22.433
overlap between those two
efforts.

01:28:23.535 --> 01:28:25.535
I think urban effort was looking

01:28:28.241 --> 01:28:30.241
at for of the title and the

01:28:31.144 --> 01:28:33.110
rainfall driven drainage aspects
and I think there is a little

01:28:34.614 --> 01:28:36.748
bit of overlap there, because
of, you know, interaction

01:28:39.385 --> 01:28:41.520
between waves and the canal, but
I don't think there is

01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:43.855
significant overlap.
>> I think it is very prudent

01:28:44.691 --> 01:28:46.158
for us to check what overlap
there is.

01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:51.831
From your experience, here is my
thing.

01:28:52.832 --> 01:28:54.833
We have been working on
potential projects for north

01:28:55.769 --> 01:28:57.769
beach actually for the last four

01:28:57.770 --> 01:28:59.770
years, and nothing has ever

01:29:00.106 --> 01:29:02.106
really come to fruition because

01:29:03.100 --> 01:29:05.311
of the issues there.
Because 0 to -- because possess

01:29:05.312 --> 01:29:07.312
the environmental impact of a

01:29:08.115 --> 01:29:10.115
lot of our storms.

01:29:11.385 --> 01:29:13.520
So I am not here to put anything
on pause.

01:29:16.723 --> 01:29:19.325
If you think that both -- these
projects are completely separate

01:29:19.827 --> 01:29:22.529
then I am ready to vote for it.
If you think that we could find

01:29:23.130 --> 01:29:25.632
some overlap then I am willing
to table it.

01:29:26.367 --> 01:29:29.202
I am just ready to get down to
the bottom issue.

01:29:30.271 --> 01:29:32.272
>> let me see if I understand
what I am certifying here.

01:29:33.700 --> 01:29:35.700
you saying that -- are you

01:29:35.543 --> 01:29:37.543
talking about the two studies -- 

01:29:38.146 --> 01:29:40.146
>> -- island for urban study and

01:29:40.648 --> 01:29:42.648
this study?

01:29:44.652 --> 01:29:46.720
>> Hunter: I am sorry.
Three different studies.

01:29:46.988 --> 01:29:49.590
>> it sounds like there are
three going on.
So it sounds like -- 

01:29:50.592 --> 01:29:52.920
>> uh you are -- urban study and
this study.

01:29:53.394 --> 01:29:55.396
>> I do not think that there is
any significant overlap between

01:29:55.998 --> 01:29:58.199
the urban study and this study.
>> Hunter: and this will have

01:30:00.502 --> 01:30:01.736
to be done either way, in your
opinion?

01:30:04.838 --> 01:30:06.112
>> I don't know that I would say
it has to be done.
I would say that if we are going

01:30:07.442 --> 01:30:09.442
to move forward with trying to

01:30:10.378 --> 01:30:12.547
implement this -- with the -- 
>> beach mission.

01:30:13.683 --> 01:30:16.117
>> this would is the logical
next step.

01:30:16.252 --> 01:30:19.120
But there is nobody saying you
have to do that.
>> Hunter: sure.

01:30:19.655 --> 01:30:22.123
But if we are looking to fix the
issues out there then we will

01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:26.159
need to take both studies?

01:30:26.862 --> 01:30:29.630
They will both need to be done?
As of right now?

01:30:30.133 --> 01:30:32.469
>> I would say -- 
>> Hunter: before we

01:30:32.469 --> 01:30:35.270
double-check -- 
>> before moving forward with

01:30:39.375 --> 01:30:42.110
some type of break island, this
is the next logical step.

01:30:42.478 --> 01:30:44.478
>> Hunter: would we be able to

01:30:45.481 --> 01:30:47.820
vote on it next week if we table
it?
>> yes.

01:30:47.618 --> 01:30:49.720
We can -- there is no council
meeting next tuesday but -- 

01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:52.220
yes.
Sorry.
The following is my birthday

01:30:52.220 --> 01:30:53.990
next we can.
>> the sixth.

01:30:54.224 --> 01:30:56.992
we can bring it back on the
sixth with more detail.

01:30:57.761 --> 01:30:59.495
We will -- I do acknowledge we
don't have all of the to

01:30:59.930 --> 01:31:02.665
information we should have with
respect to the task force and

01:31:04.101 --> 01:31:05.902
what the other -- what lloyd
engineering is currently doing

01:31:07.304 --> 01:31:10.206
so we need to bring that back to
help council make an important

01:31:10.808 --> 01:31:12.842
decision so as I told mayor, I
recommend we table this for now

01:31:14.612 --> 01:31:17.213
and bring it back on the sixth.
>> you recommend that then.

01:31:17.815 --> 01:31:20.416
>> we will have the firm here as
well.
We should have had them here

01:31:24.422 --> 01:31:26.422
today but we -- this we are

01:31:26.958 --> 01:31:29.259
recommend -- this firm to be in
the audience so they can answer

01:31:29.427 --> 01:31:30.661
some of the technical questions
as well.

01:31:31.896 --> 01:31:34.731
>> by not doing this how much do
we delay the project?

01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:37.634
>> we are not delaying this.
It is four years in the study.

01:31:38.350 --> 01:31:41.500
>> but the study?
The study is a project shrch it

01:31:42.400 --> 01:31:44.400
is not going to delay kit.

01:31:45.577 --> 01:31:47.945
>> it is 2018 when we slowed on
it.

01:31:49.548 --> 01:31:51.716
>> I guess we are talking about
eight different projects here.
Thank you very much.

01:31:51.716 --> 01:31:53.716
I appreciate it.

01:31:53.718 --> 01:31:55.718
>> Mayor

01:31:56.856 --> 01:31:58.856
>> Mayor McComb: the bottom

01:31:59.191 --> 01:32:01.191
line is you've got the urban

01:32:03.620 --> 01:32:04.662
study that is to address
drainage.

01:32:06.665 --> 01:32:08.833
And when Mr. Urban was up here
he indicated that, you know,

01:32:12.137 --> 01:32:14.137
it's basically the ebb and

01:32:14.774 --> 01:32:16.774
tide -- the rise and fall of the

01:32:17.744 --> 01:32:20.545
tide and that you build a big
enough ditch, you come back and

01:32:21.614 --> 01:32:23.614
you convince us that the ditch

01:32:23.849 --> 01:32:25.849
will solve the flooding problem.

01:32:27.954 --> 01:32:30.623
These two $250,000-plus studies
have nothing to do with the
drainage, other than the fact
that they will be pushing more

01:32:30.623 --> 01:32:32.623
water up.

01:32:33.827 --> 01:32:36.662
It all has to do with the
aesthetics and the erosion.

01:32:38.164 --> 01:32:40.164
And before we go spending -- you

01:32:40.467 --> 01:32:43.300
commit to these projects, you're
talking $40 million to

01:32:43.300 --> 01:32:45.838
$50 million.
And if you haven't solved the

01:32:47.807 --> 01:32:50.777
drainage problem, then you're
wasting 40 to $50 million you're

01:32:52.120 --> 01:32:54.681
fixing to commit the city to.
People just keep pushing and
pushing.

01:32:54.715 --> 01:32:57.617
There's people out there
pushing, and I understand that.

01:32:57.618 --> 01:32:59.118
Everybody's got a lot of
enthusiasm.

01:33:00.621 --> 01:33:02.621
But if you don't do it in a

01:33:03.524 --> 01:33:05.891
systematic, factually-proven
track then I think you're doing

01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:08.600
a disservice to the public.

01:33:08.196 --> 01:33:10.397
And if there's some kind of a
pressure point that's pushing

01:33:10.865 --> 01:33:13.533
these folks to move it ahead of
what's normal and routine and

01:33:13.534 --> 01:33:15.534
thoroughly thought out, then

01:33:16.237 --> 01:33:18.237
I've got a problem with that.

01:33:19.140 --> 01:33:21.140
If we can't have an opportunity

01:33:21.876 --> 01:33:23.810
to get it on facts and not on
emotions, then I've got a

01:33:27.582 --> 01:33:29.582
problem with that.

01:33:30.652 --> 01:33:32.652
So the study -- and I don't know

01:33:32.921 --> 01:33:35.589
what urban's going to come back.
If I were a betting man, I would

01:33:36.124 --> 01:33:38.125
bet he would come back and claim
it's going to solve the whole

01:33:40.194 --> 01:33:42.897
problem.
No reasonable doubt, absolutely
no doubt.

01:33:43.365 --> 01:33:44.899
I could pretty much go to the
bank.

01:33:45.634 --> 01:33:48.369
But then he assumes the
liability as the insurance -- I

01:33:48.804 --> 01:33:50.804
mean, for putting his signature

01:33:51.506 --> 01:33:53.107
on the plans, it would solve the
problem.

01:33:57.450 --> 01:33:58.746
And then you can begin to make
these other plans.

01:34:00.283 --> 01:34:03.184
so for us to go making these
kind of commitments, I think, is

01:34:04.120 --> 01:34:06.120
just not good business.

01:34:07.423 --> 01:34:10.191
It's not going to delay the
projects any whatsoever to come
in.

01:34:11.360 --> 01:34:13.795
I mean, if this council doesn't
know that we've got -- and the

01:34:15.970 --> 01:34:17.970
staff has no idea that there's

01:34:17.300 --> 01:34:19.300
another $250,000 or $300,000

01:34:21.204 --> 01:34:23.639
study taking place, my gosh.
We're both focusing on the same

01:34:24.440 --> 01:34:27.109
target and we didn't know -- the
staff didn't know.

01:34:27.577 --> 01:34:29.711
There's a failure to communicate
between the people that are

01:34:30.480 --> 01:34:32.280
wanting to get this study and
the people that are doing the

01:34:32.515 --> 01:34:35.351
study, and they're the ones
pushing the project.

01:34:36.987 --> 01:34:38.987
And besides that, I get back to

01:34:41.900 --> 01:34:43.959
my original issue that it's a
mitigation project for the port
of corpus christi.
Except for the flooding project,
these projects would not be

01:34:45.862 --> 01:34:47.862
happening if it wasn't for the

01:34:48.398 --> 01:34:49.732
realignment of the harbor
bridge.

01:34:50.634 --> 01:34:53.269
So I'll make a motion that we
table it until you guys can come

01:34:53.537 --> 01:34:55.537
back with something you want to

01:34:57.975 --> 01:35:00.244
make as a concerted,
coordinated, fully-explained

01:35:00.244 --> 01:35:02.178
matter of what we're trying to
accomplish here.

01:35:03.714 --> 01:35:05.714
I move to table.

01:35:05.950 --> 01:35:07.950
>> Hernandez: mayor, May I

01:35:08.118 --> 01:35:10.454
amend that to table to September 6?
>> Mayor McComb: no.

01:35:10.989 --> 01:35:13.790
You have the holidays coming up
and I'm not sure they can put it

01:35:14.425 --> 01:35:16.425
all together by next friday.

01:35:16.461 --> 01:35:18.895
>> Hernandez: minimum of the
17th?
>> Mayor McComb: I don't care.

01:35:19.530 --> 01:35:21.933
If you're getting pushed, push
it.
If I don't feel comfortable,

01:35:21.933 --> 01:35:24.869
I'll say so.
i mean, you know, evidently

01:35:24.869 --> 01:35:27.304
there's a lot of pressure on
some people to get this thing

01:35:28.240 --> 01:35:30.274
going ahead of time and I'm not
going to be rolled over.

01:35:32.410 --> 01:35:34.612
Now, I May get outvoted but I'm
not going to get rolled over.

01:35:34.846 --> 01:35:36.846
>> Hernandez: mayor, it would

01:35:37.115 --> 01:35:38.882
amend your motion to state a
specific date.

01:35:39.884 --> 01:35:42.653
Any time we table something you
should really put a date on it,

01:35:43.121 --> 01:35:45.490
that way you have something to
come back to and give staff some

01:35:45.758 --> 01:35:48.560
direction on what they need to
do.
>> Mayor McComb: whatever you
want to do.

01:35:50.896 --> 01:35:52.896
Make your motion.

01:35:53.666 --> 01:35:55.666
I move to table.

01:35:56.935 --> 01:35:58.935
>> I second the motion to table.

01:35:59.104 --> 01:36:01.205
>> Hernandez: then I ask for
an amendment to the motion to

01:36:02.410 --> 01:36:04.443
direct it to the staff by the
17th of September.

01:36:04.610 --> 01:36:07.279
>> Mayor McComb: all right.
Make a motion to amend.

01:36:08.314 --> 01:36:10.314
I'm not sure if -- motion to

01:36:10.349 --> 01:36:12.349
table you can do that?

01:36:12.985 --> 01:36:15.388
>> well, it's a motion to
postpone, because that's in our

01:36:15.388 --> 01:36:17.388
council policies.

01:36:17.790 --> 01:36:20.659
So it allows for amendments, if
you do motion to postpone.

01:36:21.695 --> 01:36:23.395
>> Mayor McComb: I'll be
liberal.

01:36:25.131 --> 01:36:27.131
Make your motion to a time

01:36:28.735 --> 01:36:30.735
certain, if you want that.

01:36:32.405 --> 01:36:35.240
>> Guajardo: Mr. Zanoni, I
mean, this isn't about just us

01:36:35.308 --> 01:36:37.544
throwing out dates.
You know, Councilman, this is

01:36:37.544 --> 01:36:39.544
about staff.

01:36:39.647 --> 01:36:41.848
And I have faith in staff that
you're going to come back when

01:36:42.182 --> 01:36:44.518
you're ready to come back.
If we want to put a date on it,

01:36:44.518 --> 01:36:46.719
that's fine.
But I'm going to ask you, not

01:36:48.789 --> 01:36:50.560
anybody else, what are you okay
with.

01:36:50.791 --> 01:36:52.925
>> Zanoni: I would say bring
this back to council on or about

01:36:54.295 --> 01:36:57.640
the 24th of septembr.
Yeah.
>> Guajardo: then let's do

01:36:57.640 --> 01:36:59.633
that.
>> Hernandez: I amend my

01:37:00.670 --> 01:37:02.670
amendment by September 24.

01:37:02.637 --> 01:37:04.637
To table and return to city

01:37:04.839 --> 01:37:06.839
council by September 24th.

01:37:07.775 --> 01:37:09.775
>> Mayor McComb: on or before.

01:37:11.790 --> 01:37:13.790
>> is that really necessary?

01:37:13.281 --> 01:37:15.281
The city manager just said

01:37:15.417 --> 01:37:17.585
you'll have it by the 24th.
>> Hernandez: yes, I think

01:37:17.585 --> 01:37:19.585
it's necessary.

01:37:21.256 --> 01:37:23.390
>> is there a second for that?
>> Mayor McComb: okay.

01:37:23.758 --> 01:37:25.225
The motion dies for lack of a
second.

01:37:26.594 --> 01:37:28.594
There's a motion to table.

01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:32.467
>> and there was a second by Mr. Barrera.
>> Mayor McComb: all in favor
say aye.

01:37:32.467 --> 01:37:34.467
>> aye.

01:37:35.103 --> 01:37:37.103
>> Mayor McComb: all opposed?

01:37:39.541 --> 01:37:41.541
Okay.

01:37:41.676 --> 01:37:43.440
We've tabled item 14.
Okay.

01:37:47.717 --> 01:37:50.585
That gets us to well, we're not
at 1:30.

01:37:52.488 --> 01:37:54.355
Let's go to -- we have a couple
of port commissioners come in

01:37:55.791 --> 01:37:57.791
and I think the presentation

01:37:58.270 --> 01:38:00.929
they're here for, that won't
happen until after 1:30, even

01:38:01.730 --> 01:38:04.433
though you came for some
entertainment, I'm sure.
[Laughter]

01:38:04.634 --> 01:38:06.634
>> Mayor McComb: and if you've

01:38:07.203 --> 01:38:09.938
got time, let's talk about
mitigation on the harbor
project.

01:38:11.400 --> 01:38:13.400
Anyway, I want to give the other

01:38:13.109 --> 01:38:15.109
commissioners, if they were at

01:38:15.111 --> 01:38:17.846
that luncheon today, to get
over.
We've got some public hearings.

01:38:20.550 --> 01:38:22.652
First one will be a zoning case
on item 22.

01:38:23.420 --> 01:38:26.880
Do we need the presentation and
then we open the public hearing?

01:38:30.360 --> 01:38:32.596
>> what about 21, mayor?
21 is the first public hearing.

01:38:32.596 --> 01:38:34.463
>> Mayor McComb: oh, let's do
that.

01:38:35.465 --> 01:38:37.833
Well, our tv guy isn't here.
>> he's there.

01:38:38.502 --> 01:38:40.603
He's just is sitting down.
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

01:38:42.340 --> 01:38:44.340
We're going to go to item 21.

01:38:44.575 --> 01:38:46.575
We'll have a presentation and

01:38:46.977 --> 01:38:48.977
then we'll open the public

01:38:49.813 --> 01:38:52.782
hearing on the fiscal year 2020
ad valorem tax rate.
Who is going to do that?

01:38:53.984 --> 01:38:55.984
>> good afternoon.

01:38:56.540 --> 01:38:58.655
Item 21 is the first public
hearing regarding the proposed

01:39:01.893 --> 01:39:03.893
fiscal year 2020 ad valorem tax

01:39:09.300 --> 01:39:10.967
rate of.646264 cents per $100
valuation.

01:39:11.402 --> 01:39:13.402
This tax rate includes an

01:39:13.539 --> 01:39:15.539
increase of 2 cents over last

01:39:16.408 --> 01:39:18.476
year's tax rate to be used for
residential streets as approved

01:39:20.812 --> 01:39:22.812
by the citizens on November 8,

01:39:23.815 --> 01:39:25.716
2016.
This public hearing is needed

01:39:26.384 --> 01:39:28.384
for the city to be in compliance

01:39:30.487 --> 01:39:32.924
with truth in taxation as it
relates to the tax code, section

01:39:34.326 --> 01:39:36.326
26.05d of the tax code requires

01:39:37.896 --> 01:39:40.231
that two public hearings be held
on the proposed ad valorem tax
rate.

01:39:41.400 --> 01:39:43.400
If the proposed tax rate exceeds

01:39:44.169 --> 01:39:46.169
the lower of the rollback tax

01:39:46.338 --> 01:39:48.338
rate or the effective tax rate.

01:39:49.275 --> 01:39:51.275
Since our proposed tax rate

01:39:51.844 --> 01:39:53.946
exceeds the effective tax rate,
two public hearings are

01:39:53.946 --> 01:39:55.946
required.

01:39:56.516 --> 01:39:58.584
And so this is the first of two
public hearings that will be

01:39:58.584 --> 01:40:00.584
held.

01:40:03.823 --> 01:40:05.823
The second is scheduled for

01:40:05.892 --> 01:40:08.600
September 6th.
>> Mayor McComb: okay.

01:40:09.396 --> 01:40:11.664
this is basically just
announcing the public hearings.

01:40:13.133 --> 01:40:15.635
>> yes, sir.
And you have to -- this is the

01:40:15.635 --> 01:40:17.635
public hearing, sir.

01:40:18.404 --> 01:40:20.506
This is the first of the two.
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:24.811
So I'll open the public hearing
then on the tax rate for 2020.

01:40:26.313 --> 01:40:28.581
Is there anybody from the public
here that would like to make a

01:40:33.200 --> 01:40:34.921
comment in favor of or in
opposition to the proposed tax

01:40:40.394 --> 01:40:42.562
rate for fiscal year 2020?
Is your camera rolling?

01:40:43.831 --> 01:40:46.199
We want to get the -- we want to
get the multitudes coming down

01:40:46.867 --> 01:40:49.200
to talk.
[Laughter]
Okay.

01:40:52.440 --> 01:40:54.440
No one has any public comment?

01:40:54.809 --> 01:40:56.910
From the council.
Mr. Garza.

01:40:58.680 --> 01:41:00.815
>> Garza: sorry.
You're looking for action today,
right?

01:41:00.815 --> 01:41:03.250
>> no.
It's just a public hearing.

01:41:03.451 --> 01:41:04.918
>> this is just a public
hearing.

01:41:06.821 --> 01:41:09.490
>> Garza: it says staff
recommends approval of the ad
valorem tax rate.

01:41:11.759 --> 01:41:13.961
You don't need that read out by
anybody?
>> right.
>> Garza: thank you.

01:41:14.162 --> 01:41:16.998
>> Mayor McComb: since it's a
public hearing and the council

01:41:17.900 --> 01:41:19.934
is part of the public.
Mr. Hunter.
>> Hunter: thank you, mayor.

01:41:21.837 --> 01:41:23.837
When we voted on in the past, at

01:41:25.774 --> 01:41:27.774
the end it said and declaring an

01:41:31.480 --> 01:41:34.182
emergency.
9-18-18, item -- I can't figure

01:41:34.350 --> 01:41:36.350
that out.

01:41:37.620 --> 01:41:39.620
But the city council agenda

01:41:40.823 --> 01:41:43.910
9-18-18 it says per $100
valuation we're raising this 2

01:41:43.159 --> 01:41:44.592
cents and declaring an
emergency.

01:41:45.394 --> 01:41:47.529
What is the declaring an
emergency that we know going

01:41:47.529 --> 01:41:49.497
forward?
>> good afternoon.

01:41:50.500 --> 01:41:52.367
The reason it was declaring an
emergency -- and we'll probably

01:41:52.502 --> 01:41:55.103
have the do the same this year,
is because with our ordinances,

01:41:56.339 --> 01:41:59.207
we're required to have two
readings and two votes by the

01:41:59.375 --> 01:42:01.375
city council.

01:42:02.178 --> 01:42:04.178
And we have a time limit on when

01:42:04.580 --> 01:42:06.781
we have the actual vote on the
tax rate, after the second

01:42:07.183 --> 01:42:08.950
public hearing, so we have up to
14 days.

01:42:12.256 --> 01:42:13.923
And so that's why
September 17th is going to be

01:42:14.291 --> 01:42:16.292
[Indiscernible] And so we can't
exceed that.

01:42:17.994 --> 01:42:19.628
That's why it's declaring an
emergency because it's approving

01:42:22.732 --> 01:42:24.801
an ordinance on one reading.
>> Hunter: so your emergency
is the expediency?
>> correct.

01:42:24.801 --> 01:42:27.604
Yes, sir.
>> Hunter: thank you.

01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:30.720
>> Mayor McComb: okay.

01:42:31.375 --> 01:42:33.375
Any other comments on item 21?

01:42:33.911 --> 01:42:35.311
If not, we'll close the public
hearing.

01:42:36.513 --> 01:42:38.513
Public hearing is closed.

01:42:39.716 --> 01:42:41.716
And now, by law, I am required

01:42:43.188 --> 01:42:45.188
to read the following.

01:42:48.693 --> 01:42:50.693
So please listen carefully.

01:42:52.697 --> 01:42:54.697
During the September 17, 2019

01:42:55.867 --> 01:42:58.368
city council meeting beginning
at 11:30 A.M. At city hall, the

01:43:01.573 --> 01:43:04.508
city council will vote on the
proposed property tax rate, end

01:43:05.477 --> 01:43:07.912
quote.
We're legal?
>> yep.

01:43:08.113 --> 01:43:10.282
>> Mayor McComb: that's all we
got to do on 21 today?

01:43:10.282 --> 01:43:12.783
>> yes, sir.
>> thank you.

01:43:18.457 --> 01:43:20.457
>> Mayor McComb: 22 is a

01:43:21.393 --> 01:43:24.362
zoning case, limousines
unlimited.
Who is going to handle that one?

01:43:24.797 --> 01:43:26.264
>> good afternoon, mayor, city
council members.

01:43:28.300 --> 01:43:29.901
Nina nixon-mendez, director of
development services.

01:43:31.690 --> 01:43:33.690
This request is for a time

01:43:34.272 --> 01:43:36.272
extension of the gc-2 district

01:43:38.411 --> 01:43:40.278
with a special permit for an
additional 12 months for a

01:43:41.214 --> 01:43:42.681
property located on leopard
street.

01:43:45.952 --> 01:43:48.687
The applicant, corpus christi
limousines unlimited is
requesting additional time to

01:43:49.455 --> 01:43:51.455
complete the renovation of the

01:43:51.924 --> 01:43:54.126
existing building and they will
complete the crematorium within

01:43:54.461 --> 01:43:56.563
12 months.
The special permit was for the

01:43:56.563 --> 01:43:59.431
crematorium.
The intended use is to allow the

01:44:00.100 --> 01:44:01.934
installation and operation of a
crematorium in addition to the

01:44:02.402 --> 01:44:04.402
existing funeral home.

01:44:05.738 --> 01:44:08.540
The property is.51 acres in
size, and it's platted.

01:44:08.808 --> 01:44:10.750
Here's a closer look at the
property.

01:44:11.445 --> 01:44:14.280
It is located at the
intersection of leopard street

01:44:15.820 --> 01:44:17.516
and via drive.
And leopard street is a

01:44:17.951 --> 01:44:19.951
commercial corridor.

01:44:22.422 --> 01:44:25.124
The next map illustrates the cg
zoning, that's the base zoning

01:44:25.726 --> 01:44:27.326
along the corridor.
Nearby properties include a

01:44:29.630 --> 01:44:31.630
Mcdonald's, a church, and an

01:44:31.966 --> 01:44:33.966
auto repair business.

01:44:34.635 --> 01:44:36.635
Planning commission met and

01:44:37.471 --> 01:44:40.174
recommended approval of the time
extension.

01:44:40.174 --> 01:44:42.276
15 public notices mailed, zero
in favor and zero received in

01:44:42.276 --> 01:44:45.245
opposition.
I stand by for questions.

01:44:46.581 --> 01:44:48.983
>> Mayor McComb: all right.
mr. Risley, did you have a
question?

01:44:50.585 --> 01:44:53.354
Your light's up.
If you're asking questions,

01:44:53.455 --> 01:44:55.455
we've got a problem.

01:44:57.258 --> 01:44:59.893
[Laughter]
Anybody on the council have a

01:45:00.361 --> 01:45:03.132
question on item 22?
It's a public hearing, right?
>> yes, sir.

01:45:03.132 --> 01:45:05.199
>> Mayor McComb: all right.
We have to open the public

01:45:05.768 --> 01:45:07.935
hearing on item 22.
Is there anyone from the public

01:45:09.438 --> 01:45:11.438
that would like to make comments

01:45:14.209 --> 01:45:16.209
in favor of or in opposition to

01:45:16.344 --> 01:45:19.147
the zoning case on agenda item
22?
Seeing no public comment, we'll

01:45:19.147 --> 01:45:21.147
close the public comment period.

01:45:21.417 --> 01:45:23.184
Anyone on the council?
If not -- 

01:45:23.953 --> 01:45:26.522
>> motion to approve.
>> Mayor McComb: motion to

01:45:26.522 --> 01:45:28.356
approve, Mr. Hunter.
Seconded by Mr. Roy.

01:45:28.991 --> 01:45:31.193
>> Roy: I second.
>> Mayor McComb: all in favor
say aye.

01:45:31.193 --> 01:45:33.995
>> aye.
>> Mayor McComb: all opposed?

01:45:34.630 --> 01:45:36.640
Okay.
23.

01:45:36.698 --> 01:45:39.102
This item has been rescheduled,
according to my agenda sheet.

01:45:39.102 --> 01:45:41.770
Is that correct?
>> yes, sir.
That is correct.

01:45:42.672 --> 01:45:44.907
>> Mayor McComb: 23 has been
rescheduled.

01:45:46.442 --> 01:45:47.843
24 is another public hearing?
>> yes, sir.

01:45:49.812 --> 01:45:51.812
>> Mayor McComb: we'll open

01:45:53.916 --> 01:45:56.752
the public hearing -- oh, we'll
have a presentation and then
we'll open the meeting.

01:45:59.256 --> 01:46:01.256
>> this request is to rezone a

01:46:02.826 --> 01:46:05.161
property from a light industrial
to rm-3 multifamily residential

01:46:05.161 --> 01:46:07.763
district and the purpose is to
allow for the construction of a
single-family home.

01:46:10.133 --> 01:46:12.133
The applicant is guillermo munoz

01:46:13.537 --> 01:46:15.537
and represented by esperanza.

01:46:16.841 --> 01:46:18.841
The subject property is located

01:46:18.842 --> 01:46:20.842
at 121 pueblo avenue.

01:46:22.179 --> 01:46:25.114
There's an existing 576 square
foot single-family residential
structure on the subject

01:46:26.617 --> 01:46:28.584
property and the applicant has
sought assistance through the

01:46:28.652 --> 01:46:30.652
city's housing and community

01:46:30.688 --> 01:46:33.900
development department.
And has met the eligibility

01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:36.526
requirements for the demolition
reconstruction program.

01:46:37.228 --> 01:46:39.228
And the program consists of the

01:46:39.664 --> 01:46:42.233
demolition of existing
deteriorated residential
structures and a new

01:46:42.233 --> 01:46:44.233
construction of the

01:46:46.470 --> 01:46:49.340
single-family home on the lot.
Here's a closer look at the
property.

01:46:52.344 --> 01:46:54.344
The property is.1576 acres in

01:46:57.150 --> 01:46:59.249
size and it is platted.
This is the zoning pattern of

01:47:00.850 --> 01:47:02.850
the surrounding area.

01:47:02.120 --> 01:47:03.987
The proposed rm-3 zoning is
compatible with the surrounding

01:47:05.424 --> 01:47:07.892
district to the south, which is
also zoned rm.

01:47:10.596 --> 01:47:12.430
And the rm-3 allows
single-family, as well as

01:47:13.565 --> 01:47:15.800
multifamily, up to 36 dwelling
units per acre.

01:47:16.802 --> 01:47:18.802
The nearby property is north of

01:47:19.304 --> 01:47:21.706
the subject property fronting
agnes, consists of restaurants,

01:47:23.142 --> 01:47:25.142
offices, and vacant buildings.

01:47:25.511 --> 01:47:27.511
And those properties along that

01:47:28.948 --> 01:47:31.384
frontage are zoned light
industrial.
Planning commission recommended

01:47:31.384 --> 01:47:33.384
approval.

01:47:33.986 --> 01:47:35.986
29 public noticed were mailed,

01:47:36.355 --> 01:47:39.570
one in favor and none received
in opposition.

01:47:41.828 --> 01:47:43.828
I stand by for questions.

01:47:45.931 --> 01:47:47.920
>> Mayor McComb: we'll open
the public hearing on 24.

01:47:49.669 --> 01:47:52.504
Any comments from the public on
the zoning on the guillermo
munoz property?

01:47:57.711 --> 01:47:59.312
Anyone here in favor of or in
opposition to?

01:48:00.247 --> 01:48:02.247
Anyone on the council have any

01:48:03.500 --> 01:48:04.584
comments on item 24?
Mr. Garza.

01:48:07.287 --> 01:48:08.921
>> Garza: I just got a simple
question.

01:48:09.389 --> 01:48:11.389
We're talking about demoing and

01:48:11.458 --> 01:48:12.925
getting into the city's
reconstruction.

01:48:15.630 --> 01:48:17.964
I like to see some of these old
properties or buildings be done,

01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:20.100
but you're asking for a
multifamily.

01:48:20.534 --> 01:48:22.534
Do we do multifamily?

01:48:22.737 --> 01:48:24.204
Do we use that program for
multifamily projects?

01:48:27.475 --> 01:48:29.475
>> well, this is actually going

01:48:30.210 --> 01:48:32.210
to be a single -- so you're

01:48:32.714 --> 01:48:35.616
asking if the actual program is
used for multifamily
development.
>> Garza: that's the question.

01:48:36.318 --> 01:48:37.751
If you're asking for a
multifamily project.

01:48:38.787 --> 01:48:41.622
>> so we're asking for rm-3
zoning, but it's to accommodate

01:48:42.924 --> 01:48:45.525
a single home.
A single-family.

01:48:46.961 --> 01:48:49.262
>> Garza: why aren't we asking
for an rs-6?

01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:54.000
>> yes.

01:48:54.836 --> 01:48:56.836
Primarily because there would be

01:48:57.339 --> 01:48:59.339
an increased buffer requirement

01:49:06.915 --> 01:49:08.650
if we went with an rs-6 zoning.
That buffer requirement is -- 

01:49:09.819 --> 01:49:11.819
would be a type c buffer and it

01:49:20.963 --> 01:49:23.431
has a buffer -- with the rm-3 it
requires a type b buffer yard of

01:49:24.330 --> 01:49:26.902
five feet and ten points.
That only requires an eight foot

01:49:27.704 --> 01:49:29.471
wooden fence to meet those
points.

01:49:31.574 --> 01:49:33.574
So that is an advantage.

01:49:33.710 --> 01:49:35.710
Secondly, we always want to be

01:49:35.711 --> 01:49:37.711
consistent with adjacent zoning

01:49:38.140 --> 01:49:40.820
districts.
And so I don't know if we could

01:49:44.321 --> 01:49:46.321
pull up the powerpoint again.

01:49:48.792 --> 01:49:50.292
But we have just one lot to the
south.

01:49:50.794 --> 01:49:52.794
We have rm zoning.

01:49:56.366 --> 01:49:58.300
And so the rm zoning would be
consistent with the zoning

01:50:01.906 --> 01:50:03.806
district, one lot to the south.
So there we are.

01:50:06.143 --> 01:50:08.143
So you can see the property here

01:50:08.145 --> 01:50:10.280
and then rm is in the orange.
>> Garza: I guess -- 

01:50:13.884 --> 01:50:15.451
>> so a single-family, it would
be spot zoning.

01:50:16.753 --> 01:50:18.753
So we would want to try to tie

01:50:19.457 --> 01:50:22.192
it into that.
The other interesting thing

01:50:23.861 --> 01:50:26.229
about this development is that,
as you can see along the

01:50:26.531 --> 01:50:28.532
frontage, you'll see the
commercial properties.

01:50:31.936 --> 01:50:34.471
Those are zoned il.
But then the properties located

01:50:37.609 --> 01:50:39.110
in the interior are zoned il but
they're single-family

01:50:40.450 --> 01:50:42.450
properties.

01:50:42.681 --> 01:50:44.681
So you have this non-conforming

01:50:45.517 --> 01:50:47.518
use just to the south of the
frontage.

01:50:49.254 --> 01:50:51.455
>> Garza: so I'm looking at
the map or looking at the

01:50:51.589 --> 01:50:53.589
subject property right now.

01:50:53.826 --> 01:50:55.826
So the property to the north,

01:50:57.863 --> 01:50:59.865
closer to the arterial, agnes
street, is zoned -- 

01:50:59.865 --> 01:51:02.567
>> il.
>> Garza: ir?

01:51:04.403 --> 01:51:06.204
But it's being used as
residential?

01:51:07.390 --> 01:51:09.410
You said it's non-conforming so
it's used for something other

01:51:09.410 --> 01:51:11.410
than -- 

01:51:14.460 --> 01:51:16.460
>> yes.

01:51:16.215 --> 01:51:17.816
>> Garza: I guess the only
thing -- 

01:51:18.651 --> 01:51:20.651
>> so the property directly to

01:51:20.987 --> 01:51:22.987
the north is single-family and

01:51:25.724 --> 01:51:27.861
it is zoned il.
>> Garza: the property to the

01:51:27.861 --> 01:51:29.861
south.

01:51:30.463 --> 01:51:32.463
>> the property to the south is

01:51:33.660 --> 01:51:34.900
vacant, but it is a 6,000 square
foot lot.

01:51:36.350 --> 01:51:38.350
And it is zoned il.

01:51:39.506 --> 01:51:41.506
But then if you go two lots,

01:51:42.976 --> 01:51:44.543
it's single-family that's zoned
rm-3.

01:51:45.790 --> 01:51:47.780
So, for that reason, we are
recommending the rm-3 zoning.

01:51:47.981 --> 01:51:49.981
>> Garza: okay.

01:51:53.320 --> 01:51:55.888
So a single-family home, rm-3 is
complying.
>> yes.
>> Garza: and how are we going

01:51:57.791 --> 01:52:00.660
to assure he only builds a
single-family home under the
program.

01:52:01.940 --> 01:52:03.830
Because, again, I thought the
program was only for
single-family homes.

01:52:04.632 --> 01:52:06.766
>> it is only for single-family
and that's what's being

01:52:07.168 --> 01:52:09.969
proposed.
Rudy can address that.

01:52:10.705 --> 01:52:13.700
>> good afternoon.
Rudy bentancourt, housing and

01:52:13.700 --> 01:52:15.275
community development.
Yes, the program is for

01:52:15.643 --> 01:52:18.411
single-family.
Demolition reconstruction
program is just for
single-family.

01:52:22.450 --> 01:52:24.618
>> Garza: okay.
This is what you recommend.

01:52:25.620 --> 01:52:27.620
I mean, I'm in favor of it.

01:52:28.590 --> 01:52:31.258
It just seems to me like at some
point all these interior lots

01:52:34.429 --> 01:52:36.429
should convert back to an rs

01:52:37.833 --> 01:52:40.100
designation, except for those
that might be grandfathered in

01:52:40.736 --> 01:52:42.870
and left in the multifamily.
>> I believe this is a good

01:52:44.606 --> 01:52:47.374
candidate for a city-initiated
rezoning.
I know right now I believe

01:52:48.877 --> 01:52:51.278
there's a plan being proposed to
look at this area.

01:52:52.747 --> 01:52:54.747
And that might be a

01:52:54.783 --> 01:52:57.486
recommendation of that west side
plan.
>> Garza: okay.

01:52:57.586 --> 01:52:58.887
I don't have any other
questions.

01:53:02.358 --> 01:53:04.358
Thank you very much.

01:53:05.728 --> 01:53:07.728
Appreciate it.

01:53:09.331 --> 01:53:11.933
>> Mayor McComb: okay.
>> Garza: mayor, if there's no

01:53:12.569 --> 01:53:14.804
other questions, move to
approve.
>> can we close the public

01:53:14.804 --> 01:53:16.873
hearing?
>> Mayor McComb: we'll close

01:53:16.873 --> 01:53:18.873
the public hearing.

01:53:23.613 --> 01:53:25.681
There's a motion on item 24.
You got that, Ms. Huerta?

01:53:25.681 --> 01:53:27.681
>> yes, sir.

01:53:28.417 --> 01:53:30.652
>> Mayor McComb: all in favor
of 24 say aye.
>> aye.

01:53:31.221 --> 01:53:32.722
>> Mayor McComb: all opposed.
All right.

01:53:36.860 --> 01:53:39.829
We'll have a presentation on
cloudcroft land ventures, item
25.

01:53:40.864 --> 01:53:42.864
>> this request is to rezone a

01:53:44.968 --> 01:53:47.870
property from rm-1 multifamily
one district to c-1 neighborhood
commercial.

01:53:47.972 --> 01:53:50.390
The purpose is allow for the
construction of a neighborhood

01:53:50.307 --> 01:53:52.307
business center and the

01:53:52.343 --> 01:53:54.343
applicant is cloudcroft land

01:53:55.612 --> 01:53:57.881
ventures, inc. By golden real
estate and construction company.

01:53:58.682 --> 01:54:00.682
This property is located on the

01:54:01.185 --> 01:54:03.185
west corner intersection of

01:54:04.210 --> 01:54:05.956
yorktown boulevard and anna masa
drive.

01:54:09.590 --> 01:54:11.361
The proposed commercial center
has approximately 230 feet of
frontage on the east side along

01:54:12.330 --> 01:54:14.264
anna masa drive, which is
designated as a local

01:54:17.902 --> 01:54:20.103
residential street, and 493 feet
of street frontage on yorktown.

01:54:21.672 --> 01:54:23.672
The intended use is to allow for

01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:26.770
the construction of a
neighborhood business center and

01:54:28.380 --> 01:54:30.347
the applicant is requesting the
c-1 district.

01:54:31.983 --> 01:54:34.318
Currently the rm-1 multifamily
district allows for apartments

01:54:36.788 --> 01:54:38.788
at a maximum density of 22

01:54:40.292 --> 01:54:42.292
dwelling units per acre.

01:54:43.963 --> 01:54:46.231
Here's a closer look at the
site.

01:54:46.231 --> 01:54:48.599
This is the zoning pattern for
the surrounding area.

01:54:51.470 --> 01:54:53.470
And you can see that the subject

01:54:53.672 --> 01:54:56.641
property, the rezoning would be
compatible with the c-1 district

01:54:56.742 --> 01:54:59.511
to the east.
And it's generally consistent

01:54:59.612 --> 01:55:01.612
with the adopted comprehensive

01:55:04.830 --> 01:55:06.830
plan, but it does warrant a

01:55:07.253 --> 01:55:08.620
change to the future land use
map.

01:55:09.588 --> 01:55:11.689
Planning commission recommended
approval.

01:55:13.425 --> 01:55:15.425
35 public noticed were mailed,

01:55:15.662 --> 01:55:18.264
zero received in favor and two
in opposition.
I stand by for questions.

01:55:18.264 --> 01:55:20.866
>> Mayor McComb: all right.
We'll open up the public hearing

01:55:24.537 --> 01:55:26.138
on item 25 on cloudcroft land
ventures.

01:55:27.400 --> 01:55:29.400
Anybody in the public have any

01:55:29.542 --> 01:55:31.542
comment in favor of or in

01:55:37.284 --> 01:55:39.284
oppostion to?

01:55:40.287 --> 01:55:42.522
Anybody have any comment on item
25?
Entertain a motion for approval.

01:55:42.522 --> 01:55:44.557
>> so move.
>> close the public hearing.

01:55:45.625 --> 01:55:47.625
>> Mayor McComb: oh, yeah.

01:55:48.610 --> 01:55:50.431
Close the public hearing.
>> Hernandez: I make a motion

01:55:50.431 --> 01:55:52.666
to approve.
>> Garza: second.

01:55:53.367 --> 01:55:56.360
>> Mayor McComb: all in favor
say aye.
>> aye.
>> Mayor McComb: all opposed?
Oh, yeah.

01:55:56.537 --> 01:55:58.537
This is in your district.

01:56:03.844 --> 01:56:05.844
Now we go to our regular agenda.

01:56:05.913 --> 01:56:08.782
>> there are no regular agenda
items, but we do have first
readings.

01:56:08.817 --> 01:56:10.485
>> Mayor McComb: well, that's
what it says.

01:56:11.186 --> 01:56:13.487
Or did I Miss Something here?
>> it says none.

01:56:14.222 --> 01:56:16.890
There are no regular agenda
items, sir.

01:56:19.861 --> 01:56:21.161
>> Mayor McComb: first
reading.

01:56:23.164 --> 01:56:25.164
Do we want to do no. 26 and then

01:56:28.136 --> 01:56:30.471
we'll skip down to no. 30 here
right after 1:30.

01:56:31.440 --> 01:56:33.140
I told them we would wait until
1:30.

01:56:35.110 --> 01:56:37.110
Let's do no. 1.

01:56:40.916 --> 01:56:42.183
How do these, particularly 26
and 27 -- 

01:56:42.952 --> 01:56:44.952
>> mayor, did you want to do

01:56:45.621 --> 01:56:47.756
them all together, 26 through
28?
Or do you have questions on 26

01:56:47.756 --> 01:56:50.592
and 27?
We could do these as a group,

01:56:53.362 --> 01:56:54.729
unless there's questions on
particular ones.

01:56:55.864 --> 01:56:58.670
>> Mayor McComb: they're first
reading, so they have to come
back next week.

01:56:58.670 --> 01:57:00.869
>> yes.
>> Mayor McComb: the only

01:57:01.171 --> 01:57:03.171
question that raised a question

01:57:03.339 --> 01:57:04.640
in my mind was just to get some
explanation.

01:57:06.109 --> 01:57:08.344
This is a water distribution
trust fund program, no. 26 and

01:57:08.344 --> 01:57:10.344
27.

01:57:10.379 --> 01:57:12.379
In light of our instructions

01:57:12.615 --> 01:57:14.850
last week, these were already in
the pipeline moving through the

01:57:15.518 --> 01:57:18.120
process, so they really wouldn't
be impacted, right?

01:57:18.322 --> 01:57:20.656
>> Zanoni: exactly, mayor.
These were already in the

01:57:20.724 --> 01:57:23.626
pipeline, so they need to go
through.
>> Mayor McComb: maybe our

01:57:24.194 --> 01:57:26.194
direction last week will crank

01:57:26.530 --> 01:57:28.897
out a few more projects.
That's a pretty quick response,

01:57:31.634 --> 01:57:33.102
but they had to be in there.
okay.

01:57:34.872 --> 01:57:37.707
Anybody have any questions on
26?

01:57:37.942 --> 01:57:39.942
26, 27, 28.

01:57:40.377 --> 01:57:42.513
We'll take them all at one time.
>> Hernandez: yeah, I do have

01:57:42.513 --> 01:57:44.247
one question.
>> Mayor McComb: quickly.

01:57:44.515 --> 01:57:47.150
>> Hernandez: just one
question.
I know we had some issues with

01:57:47.785 --> 01:57:49.785
the balances on the wastewater.

01:57:49.986 --> 01:57:51.986
Where are we with the balances

01:57:52.757 --> 01:57:54.757
for the water trust fund?

01:57:55.126 --> 01:57:57.761
>> both of these projects would
be funded through the water

01:57:58.896 --> 01:58:01.531
distribution main trust.
And the balance available -- 

01:58:11.743 --> 01:58:13.611
this was as of 6-30, is
$608,273.64.

01:58:16.248 --> 01:58:19.160
With these two projects, the
ybarra and tuloso reserve -- let

01:58:25.723 --> 01:58:27.723
me get that balance.

01:58:32.664 --> 01:58:34.664
The balance would be

01:58:36.135 --> 01:58:38.690
$465,786..20.
The balance available.

01:58:39.838 --> 01:58:42.307
>> Mr. Barrera made a motion.
>> Mayor McComb: and there was

01:58:42.307 --> 01:58:44.742
a second?
>> Mr. Hunter seconded.

01:58:46.212 --> 01:58:47.679
>> Mayor McComb: all in favor
say aye.
>> aye.

01:58:48.981 --> 01:58:50.882
>> Mayor McComb: all opposed?
Okay.

01:58:51.817 --> 01:58:54.386
Well, it's close enough, for
government work it's close

01:58:54.754 --> 01:58:56.788
enough to 1:30.
I'd like to call on the ciy

01:58:58.324 --> 01:59:00.324
manager to make any opening

01:59:02.729 --> 01:59:04.463
comments he has about this
presentation.

01:59:07.565 --> 01:59:09.835
But from the public standpoint,
and I think from our community
standpoint, this is a pretty

01:59:13.720 --> 01:59:14.673
significant day in the life of
our city.

01:59:15.308 --> 01:59:16.909
I just want to thank all the
people that have been working

01:59:17.410 --> 01:59:19.878
together on this for a number of
years to make it happen.

01:59:24.451 --> 01:59:26.451
And we keep the thing moving.

01:59:26.987 --> 01:59:29.522
And that is on our pursuit for
an uninterruptible water supply

01:59:30.900 --> 01:59:32.900
for all of our citizens,

01:59:34.828 --> 01:59:36.629
residential, commercial, and
industrial.

01:59:37.331 --> 01:59:39.331
This has been a big team effort

01:59:39.500 --> 01:59:42.302
and I want to thank everyone
that's participated in it and I

01:59:43.904 --> 01:59:46.700
would ask the city manager to
introduce the presentation.
We have folks from the port

01:59:46.700 --> 01:59:48.700
here.

01:59:49.310 --> 01:59:51.944
We've got folks from aep here.
Who else we got?

01:59:54.649 --> 01:59:56.850
Port commissioners here.
San pat water district.

01:59:58.853 --> 02:00:00.853
This really is a big -- I think

02:00:01.256 --> 02:00:03.256
an important step in our city -- 

02:00:04.492 --> 02:00:06.293
a day for our city and I'm just
pleased.

02:00:08.129 --> 02:00:10.129
And from the council's

02:00:10.331 --> 02:00:12.331
standpoint this was one of our

02:00:14.670 --> 02:00:17.390
three top priorities for this
term on the council.

02:00:17.390 --> 02:00:19.607
Mr. Manager, if you would.
>> Zanoni: yes, mayor, thank
you.

02:00:20.409 --> 02:00:22.743
We're in the process of getting
the presenter, so hopefully

02:00:23.612 --> 02:00:25.614
he'll get here in time.
Let me see how long I can talk

02:00:25.614 --> 02:00:27.614
though.

02:00:29.317 --> 02:00:31.753
Maybe that will give him a few
minutes.
They're getting him right now.

02:00:32.355 --> 02:00:34.355
As you mentioned, mayor, this

02:00:34.623 --> 02:00:36.623
has been a multi-year effort.

02:00:36.692 --> 02:00:38.826
This is not something we just
started.

02:00:39.280 --> 02:00:41.950
Obviously I have been here three
months now but this has been in

02:00:42.431 --> 02:00:44.699
the works for two-plus years,
maybe even longer.

02:00:45.634 --> 02:00:47.535
And so today is the culmination
of all the that work.

02:00:47.937 --> 02:00:50.839
As you mentioned, we want to
thank the industry and the port

02:00:51.241 --> 02:00:52.841
commissioners and others that
have been instrumental in

02:00:54.377 --> 02:00:56.377
getting us to this point.

02:00:56.679 --> 02:00:58.679
So today we are going to talk to

02:01:00.116 --> 02:01:02.116
you about the timing and the

02:01:03.886 --> 02:01:05.721
financial condition of the -- of
a desalination plant.

02:01:06.156 --> 02:01:08.658
And we'll also talk about other
water options as well.

02:01:10.193 --> 02:01:12.193
But our big focus on the desal.

02:01:15.310 --> 02:01:17.310
Let me just see -- 

02:01:17.500 --> 02:01:19.735
>> Mayor McComb: well -- 
>> Zanoni: well, the presenter

02:01:21.906 --> 02:01:24.107
is on his way, but mark van
vleck will begin the
presentation.

02:01:25.576 --> 02:01:27.576
[Laughter]

02:01:27.911 --> 02:01:30.380
>> Mayor McComb: I mean, how
appropriate.

02:01:31.281 --> 02:01:33.517
He's kind of, you know, the
opening act.
So go ahead.

02:01:33.517 --> 02:01:35.517
Let's get this going.

02:01:35.953 --> 02:01:38.554
>> Zanoni: but let me just
conclude that what we're going

02:01:39.991 --> 02:01:42.392
to focus on is the time, when
would we need to start and then

02:01:43.261 --> 02:01:44.828
financially what does that look
like.

02:01:46.970 --> 02:01:48.432
The staff knows and we know and
we think the council knows as

02:01:53.371 --> 02:01:56.339
well that today's presentation
and council dialogue will be a

02:01:56.374 --> 02:01:58.709
step in continuing forward.
And so we want to hear the

02:01:59.978 --> 02:02:01.978
feedback from the council,

02:02:05.584 --> 02:02:07.851
because today we'll -- based on
council direction, we have

02:02:07.919 --> 02:02:10.387
already been moving forward but
today is an important date

02:02:10.688 --> 02:02:13.391
because it will help us move
forward with things like land

02:02:13.391 --> 02:02:14.958
acquisition and continuing
permitting.

02:02:16.962 --> 02:02:19.731
And so with that, mark van vleck
has a pretty robust presentation

02:02:19.832 --> 02:02:21.867
and we'll turn it over to him.
>> Mayor McComb: before you do

02:02:21.867 --> 02:02:24.235
that, and the folks that have
been involved in this, if you

02:02:24.770 --> 02:02:27.571
wouldn't mind, just raising your
hand so we can see.

02:02:30.475 --> 02:02:32.475
Sara garza with the port.

02:02:32.879 --> 02:02:34.879
Those are the folks -- this is a

02:02:35.515 --> 02:02:37.515
team effort and I just want to

02:02:39.585 --> 02:02:41.585
commend everyone for their work

02:02:41.687 --> 02:02:43.254
and just this is not a one-man
show.

02:02:46.792 --> 02:02:48.760
And it hadn't been steamrolled.
It's been coordinated and worked

02:02:49.729 --> 02:02:51.397
on for a long time.
Mr. Van vleck, you're on.

02:02:52.766 --> 02:02:54.833
>> mark van vleck, assistant
city manager.

02:02:56.894 --> 02:02:59.671
And, yes, we've been working on
this for a while.
And in many of those same folks

02:03:00.940 --> 02:03:02.940
that raised their hand, were

02:03:03.910 --> 02:03:05.912
part of the team that worked on
the 25 cents, related to the

02:03:05.912 --> 02:03:08.648
surcharge.
In fact, all of them, I believe,

02:03:08.982 --> 02:03:10.982
worked on that effort.

02:03:11.518 --> 02:03:13.518
And during that effort, they

02:03:13.887 --> 02:03:15.788
asked to participate in
determining essentially when the

02:03:18.592 --> 02:03:20.592
next project needs to move

02:03:20.727 --> 02:03:23.195
forward and we accommodated that
effort.
Because they have learned to

02:03:23.597 --> 02:03:25.597
work as a team.

02:03:25.933 --> 02:03:27.933
Why are we here?

02:03:28.350 --> 02:03:30.350
First off, several years ago you

02:03:30.972 --> 02:03:33.306
told us to move forward to get a
drought-proof water supply to

02:03:33.441 --> 02:03:36.276
meet future needs for the
coastal bend.

02:03:37.110 --> 02:03:39.110
And that has really been driven

02:03:39.460 --> 02:03:41.460
by industry and their concerns

02:03:42.684 --> 02:03:45.452
to be able to continue
operations.
What has come to the forefront

02:03:46.154 --> 02:03:48.154
in the last couple of years is

02:03:48.156 --> 02:03:50.891
the reduced supply, which is a
result of basically three

02:03:51.993 --> 02:03:53.993
things.

02:03:56.197 --> 02:03:57.731
One is we had additional
sediment in choke canyon.

02:04:00.350 --> 02:04:02.350
The latest drought of record.

02:04:02.738 --> 02:04:04.738
And then the callback provisions

02:04:08.109 --> 02:04:10.511
with lnra, or lake texana and
them calling some back.

02:04:10.712 --> 02:04:12.746
Really, those three events.
At the same time, economic

02:04:12.747 --> 02:04:15.182
growth -- I think it was a
couple of weeks ago that a

02:04:15.283 --> 02:04:17.283
gentleman said all these things

02:04:18.421 --> 02:04:20.722
that are occurring during public
comment about the economic

02:04:20.789 --> 02:04:22.789
growth in the area.

02:04:23.920 --> 02:04:25.426
And they are requiring water.
We're going to give you kind of

02:04:26.729 --> 02:04:29.497
when the demand is to be
occurring and we're really

02:04:30.599 --> 02:04:32.599
recommending move forward with

02:04:32.834 --> 02:04:35.671
the sea water desalination
plant, continue with our efforts

02:04:35.939 --> 02:04:38.507
in that area.
And, finally, we'll kind of

02:04:39.776 --> 02:04:42.110
review some of the things we've
looked at as far as alternative

02:04:42.110 --> 02:04:44.246
water supplies.
What do we need?

02:04:45.581 --> 02:04:47.649
A drought-proof water supply.
You're going to see based on

02:04:48.684 --> 02:04:51.486
what we're projecting is demands
coming in that we're looking at

02:04:54.191 --> 02:04:55.491
needing it in the 2022 to 2023
time-frame.

02:04:56.560 --> 02:04:58.560
Can we afford it.

02:04:59.396 --> 02:05:02.264
And this kind of comes back to
the 25 cents that we just

02:05:03.533 --> 02:05:05.533
discussed and the fact that

02:05:05.669 --> 02:05:07.636
industries are paying the extra
25 cents per thousand, are

02:05:08.605 --> 02:05:10.740
charging themselves to help fund
this future effort.

02:05:11.976 --> 02:05:13.976
Due to the long lead times

02:05:14.912 --> 02:05:16.912
associated with permitting and

02:05:17.810 --> 02:05:19.810
procurement of this type of

02:05:19.750 --> 02:05:21.951
project, that we still continue.
Continue the current process and

02:05:22.152 --> 02:05:24.152
keep moving forward.

02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:27.890
This is why we put the team
together.

02:05:27.959 --> 02:05:29.959
In January, during your off

02:05:30.161 --> 02:05:32.963
site, your retreat, you told us
to come back with a trigger.

02:05:34.980 --> 02:05:36.980
And after that, we put together

02:05:38.350 --> 02:05:40.350
the team on April 11, or in that

02:05:40.171 --> 02:05:42.305
time-frame, to essentially work
through it.

02:05:43.841 --> 02:05:46.611
And they all raised their hands,
the team that have been working

02:05:46.611 --> 02:05:48.611
with this.

02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:51.615
We met basically every other
week for several months, working

02:05:52.250 --> 02:05:54.250
through all these details.

02:05:55.420 --> 02:05:58.550
And today we're here to offer
our recommendations from the
committee.

02:05:58.857 --> 02:06:00.624
It's not just staff, it's
actually the entire committee

02:06:02.940 --> 02:06:04.462
that worked on this.
And their key factors are

02:06:08.670 --> 02:06:10.535
supply, demand, and finance.
Once again, reviewing again what

02:06:12.871 --> 02:06:15.606
has caused the reductions in
supply and probably the largest

02:06:16.375 --> 02:06:19.276
one is because of the new
drought record, which we have

02:06:23.583 --> 02:06:26.551
incorporated into the model.
And now I really got messed up.

02:06:27.219 --> 02:06:29.921
Something gave me the notes I'm
supposed to be following.

02:06:30.923 --> 02:06:32.923
I was winging it pretty good, or

02:06:35.461 --> 02:06:38.364
at least I thought I was.
[Laughter]

02:06:39.733 --> 02:06:41.733
So this is just hitting the same

02:06:41.801 --> 02:06:44.470
three points I said before that
it's the reduction.

02:06:45.438 --> 02:06:47.438
When we have large rainstorms,

02:06:47.907 --> 02:06:50.575
the last time choke canyon
refilled which, by the way, it

02:06:51.577 --> 02:06:53.912
still hasn't refilled, there was
more sediment that came in than

02:06:54.782 --> 02:06:56.782
we thought would be in.

02:06:58.452 --> 02:07:00.452
And then the recalls.

02:07:01.421 --> 02:07:04.910
What we would propose is the
permits will be for

02:07:04.910 --> 02:07:06.525
30 million gallons per day on
inner harbor bridge, and

02:07:07.728 --> 02:07:09.428
40 million per day on the la
quinta.

02:07:10.564 --> 02:07:12.966
However, what we would build is
plants -- design and build

02:07:14.902 --> 02:07:17.871
plants at 10 mgd, or million
gallons per day, expandable to

02:07:18.773 --> 02:07:21.740
20 in 12 months or less.
You would have much of the

02:07:22.743 --> 02:07:25.111
infrastructure in place for the
intake, the discharge, the

02:07:25.212 --> 02:07:27.614
header of where you would
install pumps, where you would

02:07:29.217 --> 02:07:30.884
be able to put the additional
membranes in so you could

02:07:34.255 --> 02:07:36.255
essentially do that expansion

02:07:36.958 --> 02:07:39.293
from 10 to 20 million gallons
per day in 12 months or less.

02:07:40.895 --> 02:07:43.564
You would not build these larger -- at least the advice we
have gotten from the experts is

02:07:43.998 --> 02:07:46.399
unless you're going to utilize
the additional capacity of the

02:07:47.703 --> 02:07:49.703
intakes and discharge to the 30

02:07:50.706 --> 02:07:53.240
and 40, you would not build that
unless it's going to be less

02:07:53.775 --> 02:07:55.943
than ten years.
If we get closer and you see

02:07:55.977 --> 02:07:58.879
that need is going to be less
than ten years, you might build
that additional.

02:08:00.882 --> 02:08:03.450
But all of these scenarios
envision a plant originally

02:08:04.620 --> 02:08:06.620
treating ten but easily

02:08:07.623 --> 02:08:09.623
expandable to 20.

02:08:10.192 --> 02:08:12.360
This shows the supply and demand
history.
Okay.

02:08:16.632 --> 02:08:19.660
We are a surface water system.
We have multiple sources but

02:08:21.236 --> 02:08:23.236
they're all still surface water.

02:08:23.640 --> 02:08:25.730
The blue line represents our
firm yield.

02:08:26.442 --> 02:08:28.442
And if you look at that firm

02:08:28.978 --> 02:08:30.978
yield you'll see that there's an

02:08:31.214 --> 02:08:33.214
uptick in about 2015.

02:08:34.160 --> 02:08:36.685
That's when we brought mary
rhodes phase two on, or the

02:08:36.919 --> 02:08:38.919
colorado river water.

02:08:39.790 --> 02:08:42.910
But then you see that it came
down steadily after that, and

02:08:42.325 --> 02:08:44.325
that was because of the those

02:08:45.429 --> 02:08:47.960
three issues that I said
previously.

02:08:47.998 --> 02:08:49.998
The yellow line you see going

02:08:51.968 --> 02:08:53.968
across there is a trigger that

02:08:54.404 --> 02:08:56.438
we would propose, that is 70% of
the firm yield.

02:08:56.607 --> 02:08:59.420
There's nothing greatly
scientific about that other than

02:09:00.978 --> 02:09:02.612
the committee when they had
discussions, we ranged anywhere

02:09:04.140 --> 02:09:06.749
between 70 and 80.
We arrived at when did people

02:09:07.818 --> 02:09:10.254
get the most uncomfortable.
And generally that was

02:09:10.254 --> 02:09:12.254
industries.

02:09:12.522 --> 02:09:14.522
And it felt like the last couple

02:09:15.930 --> 02:09:17.961
of scenarios it's been around
the 70% range.

02:09:20.231 --> 02:09:22.933
That could be adjusted upward or
in one way or another, but the

02:09:23.234 --> 02:09:26.136
key was that was kind of just
the comfort factor people had

02:09:26.337 --> 02:09:28.471
when they watched and they've
lived through it.

02:09:30.474 --> 02:09:33.244
And then the red line is
essentially the average over the
period.

02:09:33.945 --> 02:09:35.945
And you'll see that we were

02:09:38.616 --> 02:09:41.351
using more back in 2009, 2012.
But after we went through the

02:09:44.923 --> 02:09:47.724
drought, we went down and we've
stayed fairly steady at those
lower numbers.

02:09:51.330 --> 02:09:53.798
The demands really have not come
back up.

02:09:55.167 --> 02:09:57.167
Some important takeaways.

02:09:58.203 --> 02:10:00.104
Once again, we're 100% dependent
on surface waters.

02:10:00.772 --> 02:10:02.772
In other words, we need rain in

02:10:04.509 --> 02:10:06.509
order to meet our demands.

02:10:10.349 --> 02:10:12.349
Sea water [Indiscernible] Is a

02:10:14.720 --> 02:10:17.589
drought-proof water design and
it is affordable.

02:10:18.991 --> 02:10:21.826
We are closer to our
70%-year-old which the committee

02:10:21.827 --> 02:10:24.796
has identified as our trigger
point.
Demand assumptions, there's

02:10:27.100 --> 02:10:29.335
going to be a large increase in
water demand.

02:10:30.203 --> 02:10:32.203
These are some known projects

02:10:32.939 --> 02:10:35.307
and these are the maximum
contract amounts of the first
two.

02:10:35.475 --> 02:10:37.475
They're not necessarily the

02:10:38.344 --> 02:10:40.346
demand that we will actually see
but they are maximum contract

02:10:40.346 --> 02:10:42.346
amounts.

02:10:43.500 --> 02:10:45.885
And that's important because the
take or pay, like on the first

02:10:47.200 --> 02:10:49.200
one for gulf coast growth

02:10:49.220 --> 02:10:51.792
ventures is actually
15 million gallons per day, so
that kind of tells you that

02:10:51.792 --> 02:10:53.693
they're not necessarily going to
be taking the 25.

02:10:56.763 --> 02:10:58.763
So when we did our demand as

02:10:59.767 --> 02:11:01.767
well as revenue projections, we

02:11:02.837 --> 02:11:04.671
assumed it would be about
20 million gallons per day

02:11:05.273 --> 02:11:08.108
rather than the 25.
Let's see.
Okay.

02:11:09.243 --> 02:11:11.243
The new water supply should be

02:11:11.378 --> 02:11:13.378
designed to meet the needs

02:11:14.681 --> 02:11:16.681
before the actual demands occur.

02:11:18.420 --> 02:11:20.521
And the sea water desalination
plants requires about 24 months

02:11:20.955 --> 02:11:22.856
to design and build, that's
assuming you have the permits

02:11:24.425 --> 02:11:27.394
and land, which is part of the
process we're already on track

02:11:27.929 --> 02:11:30.263
to be able to do.
We're already on that path.

02:11:31.990 --> 02:11:33.990
This just says that we need to

02:11:33.434 --> 02:11:35.434
continue that path based on the

02:11:36.905 --> 02:11:38.472
demand projections in the
2022-2023.

02:11:40.942 --> 02:11:43.411
And we've put in -- if we have
another project that comes in

02:11:45.180 --> 02:11:47.180
with a similar demand to gulf

02:11:47.215 --> 02:11:49.215
coast growth ventures, we kind

02:11:49.584 --> 02:11:51.584
of put it as a sliding scale.

02:11:51.987 --> 02:11:54.756
We put it at 2028 but it could
move forward or backward,

02:12:03.365 --> 02:12:04.999
depending on when such an entity
comes.

02:12:05.567 --> 02:12:07.567
This is our supply demand

02:12:08.303 --> 02:12:10.906
projections.
The graph projections over time,

02:12:12.408 --> 02:12:15.770
which are the blue columns.
And you'll see that there's a

02:12:17.280 --> 02:12:19.280
major jump in 2023 -- or 2022,

02:12:20.149 --> 02:12:22.984
which is the projected time
period that gulf coast growth

02:12:23.519 --> 02:12:25.287
ventures is telling us that
they're going to be online and

02:12:27.557 --> 02:12:30.493
be able to take the water.
And actually right in -- i

02:12:32.229 --> 02:12:34.229
believe it's 2023 that the

02:12:34.564 --> 02:12:37.132
actual take or pay kicks in.
Even if they haven't started up

02:12:38.368 --> 02:12:40.436
in 2022, the take or pay
contract, in which case they

02:12:41.237 --> 02:12:43.138
would start paying for
50 million gallons a day,

02:12:43.239 --> 02:12:45.241
whether they're taking it or
not, would kick in.

02:12:49.460 --> 02:12:51.460
The other jump that you see in

02:12:52.616 --> 02:12:54.616
the 2023 is steel dynamics

02:12:54.985 --> 02:12:57.386
southwest, of what they are now
projecting, I believe, to be

02:12:59.222 --> 02:13:01.222
online in 2023.

02:13:02.160 --> 02:13:04.160
The yellow line shows the 70% of

02:13:05.463 --> 02:13:07.463
the firm yield based on

02:13:07.765 --> 02:13:09.765
essentially when we would do the

02:13:10.601 --> 02:13:12.135
increases of both demand and
supply.

02:13:14.438 --> 02:13:16.720
And the first jump there is the
10 million gallons per day of

02:13:16.774 --> 02:13:18.774
the yellow line of a plant, once

02:13:19.611 --> 02:13:21.579
again expandable to 20.
Because of the large amount that

02:13:23.810 --> 02:13:25.810
you May be looking at and we're

02:13:25.383 --> 02:13:27.551
envisioning that it would be in
san patricio county, that you

02:13:27.886 --> 02:13:29.886
would almost, on the second one

02:13:30.388 --> 02:13:31.989
if they truly are going to get
25 million gallons a day, you

02:13:37.429 --> 02:13:40.331
would have to actually build the
20 million gallons per day plant
if the demand came.

02:13:40.499 --> 02:13:41.899
But that would be the next large
customer.

02:13:43.135 --> 02:13:45.135
It's not on any of them that we

02:13:51.777 --> 02:13:53.911
currently know are coming.
[Indiscernible] That was just a

02:13:54.814 --> 02:13:56.814
comfort factor that the

02:13:59.685 --> 02:14:02.520
committee as a whole coalesced
around that area.

02:14:05.624 --> 02:14:06.891
Demand will reach 70% in the
2022-2023 time-frame.

02:14:08.661 --> 02:14:10.695
And due to the design build and
start-up time we need to

02:14:12.699 --> 02:14:15.168
essentially be continuing on in
2021 with the first plant

02:14:15.168 --> 02:14:17.168
operational.

02:14:17.470 --> 02:14:19.638
And then the second plant would
really be dependent on the

02:14:21.474 --> 02:14:23.642
timeline of a next big customer,
which I think we've heard that

02:14:24.770 --> 02:14:26.770
there might be one in san

02:14:28.414 --> 02:14:31.217
patricio, but the key is that
would be a second trigger rather

02:14:33.487 --> 02:14:36.322
than the first trigger.
Financial assumptions, we kind

02:14:37.224 --> 02:14:39.224
of hit it before.

02:14:44.364 --> 02:14:45.965
You would design and build a
10 million gallons per day sea

02:14:48.202 --> 02:14:50.202
water plant easily expandable to

02:14:50.309 --> 02:14:52.906
200 million gallons a day.
The construction cost would be
somewhere in the $140 million

02:14:53.407 --> 02:14:55.407
cost, but that next increment to

02:14:55.676 --> 02:14:57.243
take it to 20 would be
approximately $50 million.

02:14:57.978 --> 02:15:00.914
It's not a straight split.
And that would get you the

02:15:01.982 --> 02:15:04.550
membranes, pretreatment, and
post treatment equipment is what

02:15:06.387 --> 02:15:08.922
the $50,000 would get.
Everything else would kind of be

02:15:10.158 --> 02:15:12.125
already there.
50 million, I'm sorry.

02:15:12.627 --> 02:15:14.627
Maybe I should get back to the

02:15:14.962 --> 02:15:16.962
reading of the script.

02:15:17.865 --> 02:15:19.865
The other part is we made the

02:15:21.336 --> 02:15:23.104
assumption that we would go for
state water implementation

02:15:24.139 --> 02:15:26.674
funds, or swift, from the texas
water development board.

02:15:28.310 --> 02:15:30.440
And we assumed a 30-year loan at
2% interest.

02:15:31.546 --> 02:15:34.248
I think someone told me just
recently it's somewhere around

02:15:35.160 --> 02:15:37.160
1% is what they're being able to

02:15:39.210 --> 02:15:41.210
get loans from them.

02:15:41.924 --> 02:15:44.259
The part to that I want to
highlight is in February of each

02:15:46.729 --> 02:15:49.530
year is when they ask for the
abridged applications.

02:15:49.832 --> 02:15:51.299
And as we're recommending, you
continue.

02:15:52.340 --> 02:15:53.234
So you could do construction in
2021.

02:15:54.203 --> 02:15:56.300
That would mean that we should
submit an application in

02:15:56.473 --> 02:15:58.841
February of 2020.
We'll be bringing something

02:15:59.742 --> 02:16:01.742
along those lines back to you.

02:16:02.912 --> 02:16:04.912
The key here is the last time we

02:16:05.470 --> 02:16:07.183
did this type of funding, it
took until about November to get

02:16:07.183 --> 02:16:09.183
to closing.

02:16:09.919 --> 02:16:11.919
And the key is that any time

02:16:12.288 --> 02:16:13.922
between the application
submittal and closing you can

02:16:16.493 --> 02:16:17.793
say, okay, we've changed our
mind.

02:16:18.728 --> 02:16:20.863
You don't have to take the money
if you change your mind.

02:16:22.532 --> 02:16:24.333
But the key is if you don't
submit an application you can't

02:16:25.680 --> 02:16:27.680
rush it in later.

02:16:27.103 --> 02:16:29.103
So that's why we would recommend

02:16:31.209 --> 02:16:33.900
that we still submit an
application in February so that
essentially we don't close or

02:16:35.179 --> 02:16:37.613
burn a bridge in front of us.
The drought surcharge exemption

02:16:39.349 --> 02:16:41.317
fee right now a majority of our
large-volume users are paying

02:16:42.190 --> 02:16:44.190
and we're looking at having a

02:16:45.188 --> 02:16:46.922
revenue of about $3.5 million
this year.

02:16:47.357 --> 02:16:48.858
We're on track to have that come
in.

02:16:49.761 --> 02:16:51.761
When we get the additional

02:16:52.230 --> 02:16:54.230
demands in 2022, that would jump

02:16:57.969 --> 02:16:59.969
to about $5.8 million.

02:17:01.138 --> 02:17:03.273
This shows essentially what the
revenues from that drought

02:17:03.374 --> 02:17:05.374
surcharge in blue.

02:17:06.845 --> 02:17:09.460
The gold, or yellow, is the
current 5 cents that all

02:17:09.481 --> 02:17:12.316
customers pay.
And you can see that we could

02:17:13.651 --> 02:17:15.651
make the debt service payments

02:17:15.653 --> 02:17:17.653
purely off of the 25 cents in

02:17:19.757 --> 02:17:21.757
order to build that ten

02:17:22.627 --> 02:17:24.627
expandable to 20, with

02:17:27.677 --> 02:17:30.568
construction payments starting
in 2023.
And this assumes that everything
has been accrued prior to that

02:17:30.836 --> 02:17:32.836
would actually be applied so

02:17:32.838 --> 02:17:34.105
that you reduce what you're
borrowing.

02:17:34.873 --> 02:17:36.873
In other words, we take what is

02:17:37.709 --> 02:17:39.310
in there and we pay that towards
the construction.

02:17:40.779 --> 02:17:42.814
And then you only borrow what's
needed beyond that point.

02:17:44.684 --> 02:17:46.170
So you reduce what you're
borrowing.

02:17:47.520 --> 02:17:49.520
Then the other one is if a plant

02:17:50.356 --> 02:17:53.291
were needed in that 2028
time-frame.
You have several events

02:17:54.930 --> 02:17:56.930
occurring.

02:17:56.262 --> 02:17:59.970
One is that you're going to be
increasing the 25 cents.

02:18:00.100 --> 02:18:02.100
And also we have quite a bit of

02:18:06.720 --> 02:18:08.720
debt that we're currently

02:18:09.209 --> 02:18:11.209
servicing for choke canyon.

02:18:13.112 --> 02:18:15.847
Mary rhodes phase one and wesley
seale dam improvements.

02:18:17.818 --> 02:18:19.818
All of those will be paid off in

02:18:23.900 --> 02:18:25.900
this 2028 to 2030 time-frame.

02:18:25.292 --> 02:18:27.292
So the financial takeaways,

02:18:28.228 --> 02:18:30.362
large increases in water demands
are projected to occur, and

02:18:30.464 --> 02:18:32.699
everything we're seeing is that
they will be taking water in

02:18:32.699 --> 02:18:34.699
2022.

02:18:35.603 --> 02:18:37.603
It will be about $140 million to

02:18:40.841 --> 02:18:43.476
do the construction.
Some of the most favorable

02:18:44.311 --> 02:18:46.311
financing, I think, that you can

02:18:48.416 --> 02:18:51.284
find anywhere is through the
water development board and the
swift financing.
And it's the drought surcharge

02:18:52.754 --> 02:18:55.422
debt service and some of the 5
cents of the wild water

02:18:57.580 --> 02:18:59.960
development charge would cover
these costs.

02:19:01.796 --> 02:19:04.664
So our recommendation is to
secure a drought-proof water

02:19:05.933 --> 02:19:07.933
supply that meets future needs.

02:19:08.837 --> 02:19:11.238
Develop the procurement process
so once we have -- we're already

02:19:14.276 --> 02:19:16.844
on the path of identifying the
sites and along those lines, but

02:19:17.746 --> 02:19:19.781
what we would recommend is
continue into developing the

02:19:19.781 --> 02:19:21.949
procurement packages.
And it's going to take a while

02:19:23.885 --> 02:19:26.420
to do that and keep on moving.
okay.
Submit the application, as I

02:19:28.924 --> 02:19:31.793
just said, for swift funds in
2020, February of 2020.

02:19:36.632 --> 02:19:39.467
And then this first sea water -- 
wow.
I was talking too fast and now I

02:19:40.335 --> 02:19:43.170
need to slow up and let my brain
catch up with my mouth.

02:19:44.307 --> 02:19:46.307
Based on the supply and demand

02:19:47.810 --> 02:19:49.444
we're projecting, the first sea
water desalination plant should

02:19:51.347 --> 02:19:52.881
be online and operational in
early 2023.

02:19:53.749 --> 02:19:55.749
Once again, that's possible by

02:19:57.820 --> 02:19:59.820
going in 2021.

02:20:00.623 --> 02:20:02.623
Just to -- as I tell the staff,

02:20:05.610 --> 02:20:07.663
this isn't an and/or discussion,
it's kind of an and.

02:20:09.332 --> 02:20:11.567
We shouldn't just go with sea
water desalination and look at
nothing else.

02:20:12.268 --> 02:20:13.836
We are continuing to look at the
other alternatives.

02:20:15.238 --> 02:20:16.438
We are continuing to look at
reuse.

02:20:19.276 --> 02:20:21.377
We are -- the asr, we May slow
that down a little bit but that

02:20:23.247 --> 02:20:24.614
is still out there as a place to
store.

02:20:26.517 --> 02:20:29.180
We are evaluating ground water.
We've had several discussions, I

02:20:30.120 --> 02:20:32.120
believe with evangeline and some

02:20:33.257 --> 02:20:35.758
others.
And then sea water desalination,

02:20:35.960 --> 02:20:37.960
given where our location is and

02:20:38.296 --> 02:20:40.296
the fact that we found it is

02:20:40.298 --> 02:20:42.320
affordable, that's the one that
we're recommending continuing.

02:20:42.366 --> 02:20:45.680
And I stand by for any
questions.

02:20:45.436 --> 02:20:47.436
>> Mayor McComb: well, you did

02:20:50.410 --> 02:20:51.508
a remarkable job on a short
notice.

02:20:52.309 --> 02:20:54.309
>> I think I listened to it

02:20:54.746 --> 02:20:57.715
about nine times previously,
sir.
>> Mayor McComb: they say

02:20:58.283 --> 02:20:59.650
repetition is the best way to
learn.

02:21:00.919 --> 02:21:03.320
that's the way it works.
Mr. Smith.
>> Smith: thank you.

02:21:04.220 --> 02:21:06.957
Thank you, Mr. Van vleck and I
would like to follow up with the
mayor.

02:21:07.325 --> 02:21:09.325
I know we've got out in the

02:21:11.428 --> 02:21:13.397
audience just the hundreds if
not thousands of hours that you
all have put in here.

02:21:15.200 --> 02:21:17.200
You know, this goes back for

02:21:19.404 --> 02:21:21.272
many, many years.
April 13, 2017 this council gave

02:21:22.974 --> 02:21:24.974
staff a motion of direction to

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secure drought-proof water
supplies, but a lot of work was

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done before that time on there.

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I completely agree with the
scenario you've laid out.

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It's a great scenario as far as
being shovel ready, so to speak.

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The long lead time, the permits
in hand, having it.

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The amount of water supply.

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You read in texas we're short of
water.

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We're using 103,000 acre feet
right now.

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We've got 190 something thousand

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feet in firm yield on there.

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77,000 acre feet, what you're
permitting today for that we

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could have ready in a couple of
years.

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Another possibly 28,000 acre
feet sitting out there in the
ground.

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We could go reuse 10,000 acre
feet.

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So the sum of it, in two to
three years if the water was

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needed, we could double our
supplies.

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We have the water.
And I think, for texas, where

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else can texas say we have the
water?
And a lot of you people out

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there, you get the credit for
it.
staff, you get the credit for

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putting us in this great shape.

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But as I reviewed this and I saw

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I really liked the points in
there, getting the permits

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ready, permits in hand, having
the different points.

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But one thing you spoke about

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the trigger level and a comfort
factor.

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Well, historically we have been
uncomfortable because we didn't
know where our next water was

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going to come from.
Today we do.

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We've got a plan put out there

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that we can -- we have two desal
permits that we're working on.

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I see Ms. Garza back there.
She's got another one she's

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working on in la quinta.
We're not even talking about

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that but it's there.
We've got the evangeline and

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we've got the reuse.

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So from a comfort factor I think
we're more comfortable now than

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we have been in our history.

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But when we go and do this
expansion, so we're looking at

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the trigger point.

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And I ran four scenarios.

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One scenario was a 66 and

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two-thirds trigger point, a 70%,
75% and 80%.

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What that works out is 66% you

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can up your volume by 50% more
than what you're using and still

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be in your firm yield.

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It's the 70% that was mentioned

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today, everybody, everybody can

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use 42% more be in firm yield.

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At 75% you can use 33% more

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water than what you're using

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today and be in firm yield.

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Now, for us we've got the
economics of it.

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So if we expand too much too
fast -- I ran 175,000 acre feet

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of use, this is a scenario where
the plants that we talked about

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come on with it.

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That if we're using a 70%

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comfort factor on there, at
$10 million per million gallons
is kind of the numbers that

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we're hearing on what the

02:24:39.844 --> 02:24:41.844
plant's going to cost.

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10 mgd will be 14 million.
But the bigger plants will come

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in about 10 on there.

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We're looking at a cost -- this
is 2028.

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I'm not talking combined on it.

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$455 million in capital.
That's at the 70% mark.

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At the 75% mark we're looking at

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$305 million in capital on

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there.

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That's $149 million difference.
And that's where as we go we

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need to look long and hard at
the trigger percentage on there.

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This will go into our rates.

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So we will have to add, if the

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difference between a 70% trigger

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and 75% trigger will be about

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$5 million more to go into our
raw water rates.

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The money's going to go in
interest expense, stuff like

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that.

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And so I'm proposing that we do
everything that's suggested
today on there.

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I think it's just a great plan
and you all have done great

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work.

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But we use a 75% trigger.

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Now, we could go down to a 70%
because, you know, this isn't
cast in stone.

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But I'm looking at that
$155 million difference.
The additional rate impact -- 

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and I know a lot of the people
worked on it.

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You're users too.
You're going to be paying that

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extra rate also with it.

02:26:06.800 --> 02:26:08.434
but we have a comfort factor
because of the work you have

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done and the work that staff's
done that we haven't done

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before.

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So that's my two cents and I'll
shut up.
Thank you.

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Thank you again, everybody.

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>> Mayor McComb:
Mr. Hernandez.
>> Hernandez: yes, thank you.

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I appreciate that and I

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appreciate the time you spent,

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at least with me, on doing the
individual communication.

02:26:35.630 --> 02:26:37.630
I did hear some things that I

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didn't quite like but you
automatically assumed this was

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going to be a design build
program.

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That's what you stated in your
comments while you were speaking
there.

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I want to make sure we look at
this from a financial

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perspective in terms of what
other options we have out there.

02:26:50.912 --> 02:26:53.681
I know there are some companies
that we could do a contract with

02:26:54.716 --> 02:26:57.518
to purchase water and let them
build it and do everything.

02:26:57.552 --> 02:26:59.552
And this is historical.

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We tend to overpay for stuff in
terms of building.

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I mean, just -- it's just the
nature of the beast and how we

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do things, at least from my
perspective and what I have seen

02:27:09.798 --> 02:27:12.667
in any construction project
we've done, we overpay for
stuff.

02:27:12.935 --> 02:27:15.360
So I think there's an
opportunity for that to look at

02:27:15.504 --> 02:27:18.390
that and look at the financial
aspect of what it would cost to

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do a design build or to do a
long-term contract to purchase

02:27:23.413 --> 02:27:24.646
water, or maybe even another
option.

02:27:25.782 --> 02:27:27.782
i want to see all those when you

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come to us in terms of what that
looks like financially and what

02:27:30.119 --> 02:27:32.119
it is on the long term.

02:27:32.588 --> 02:27:34.588
Because ultimately whatever we

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spend to do this automatically
goes to the ratepayers.

02:27:40.430 --> 02:27:42.430
And I would be hesitant to make

02:27:42.599 --> 02:27:44.599
rates go up unnecessarily if we

02:27:46.436 --> 02:27:48.436
don't design -- if this isn't

02:27:48.638 --> 02:27:51.273
build correctly and the most
efficient way.
I understand how it works.

02:27:51.808 --> 02:27:53.811
Any time you have professional
services, it's a percentage of

02:27:53.811 --> 02:27:55.946
the overall project.
The bigger the project the more

02:27:55.946 --> 02:27:57.946
percentage they get.

02:28:00.451 --> 02:28:02.251
So I just want to put that out
there.

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Also, you had mentioned on your
graph about when our debt

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service drops off.

02:28:07.858 --> 02:28:10.226
So specifically mary rhodes
pipeline, when does that come

02:28:11.229 --> 02:28:13.229
off of the debt books?

02:28:13.631 --> 02:28:15.599
>> mary rhodes phase one?
>> Hernandez: phase one.

02:28:18.936 --> 02:28:20.936
>> I'm trying to remember.

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I think it's the 2030.

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>> it was the 2029-2030.
>> yeah.
2030.

02:28:30.480 --> 02:28:32.850
>> Hernandez: it's 2030?
>> yes.
>> Hernandez: so we're going

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to have, if we do a design
build, that means we have to

02:28:35.954 --> 02:28:38.822
borrow that money.
And I understand the rates from

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the water board are at 2% right
now.

02:28:42.593 --> 02:28:44.593
Is it 2%?

02:28:45.163 --> 02:28:47.163
>> about 1% right now.

02:28:47.699 --> 02:28:49.801
We assume 2% for the scenarios
but right now they're at 1%.

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>> Hernandez: great financing

02:28:53.538 --> 02:28:55.806
but it's still ultimately what
it cost to build this thing.

02:28:57.376 --> 02:28:58.876
I want to make sure we look at
all options.

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When we get to that trigger
point, I recommend we look at

02:29:02.514 --> 02:29:05.216
all those things, don't just
bring us the one design build

02:29:06.586 --> 02:29:08.420
option, bring us the other
option so we can take a look at

02:29:09.455 --> 02:29:11.189
it from a long-term financial
perspective.

02:29:11.624 --> 02:29:13.624
If we build it we put that debt

02:29:14.727 --> 02:29:16.861
on our rate payer and we're on
the hook for all that.

02:29:17.730 --> 02:29:20.498
If we do a contract for
purchasing water, we only pay if

02:29:20.800 --> 02:29:23.135
we buy the water.
And we're on the hook.

02:29:23.503 --> 02:29:25.437
If they don't produce water, we
don't buy it.

02:29:26.106 --> 02:29:28.741
So it's one of those things
where what's the best option.

02:29:30.577 --> 02:29:33.211
And so I want to see that
financial analysis when it comes
to us.

02:29:34.347 --> 02:29:36.648
But ultimately that doesn't take
away from the great work that

02:29:38.185 --> 02:29:40.185
you guys have done and, you

02:29:40.721 --> 02:29:42.721
know, looking at this from a

02:29:43.256 --> 02:29:45.256
perspective of drought-proof

02:29:46.727 --> 02:29:48.561
water supply.
Whole gulf of mexico out there.

02:29:49.963 --> 02:29:52.231
I appreciate that and I think we
have a good way forward.

02:29:52.499 --> 02:29:54.499
I just want to make sure we're

02:29:54.734 --> 02:29:57.300
spending the money in the right
way.
Thank you.
>> Mayor McComb: anyone else

02:29:57.938 --> 02:29:59.938
have any comments?

02:30:00.541 --> 02:30:02.742
Let me just tell you and the
folks that all put this

02:30:06.413 --> 02:30:08.413
together, I mean, you've done

02:30:09.160 --> 02:30:11.318
yeoman's work and I mean, I
don't think the public is

02:30:11.318 --> 02:30:13.318
understanding the significance

02:30:13.721 --> 02:30:16.256
and the importance of this.
Not just for the city of corpus

02:30:17.759 --> 02:30:19.759
christi and our region, our

02:30:20.595 --> 02:30:22.595
customers, but I think

02:30:23.564 --> 02:30:26.199
statewide, I mean, that's a
shout across the bow that we can

02:30:26.434 --> 02:30:29.402
solve our water problems in
texas if we just step up to the

02:30:32.474 --> 02:30:34.474
plate and do it systematically,

02:30:35.210 --> 02:30:38.179
thoroughly, professionally and
keep the impact to the rate

02:30:39.681 --> 02:30:41.949
payer as our number one target.
And with technology and the

02:30:43.385 --> 02:30:45.520
education that we've got coming
up.

02:30:45.487 --> 02:30:47.487
So I applaud you.

02:30:49.625 --> 02:30:51.625
I can't say enough.

02:30:52.161 --> 02:30:54.161
And having gone through

02:30:56.532 --> 02:30:58.532
rationing with only lake corpus

02:30:59.601 --> 02:31:01.235
christi, we've come a long way,
baby.

02:31:02.738 --> 02:31:04.738
That's an experience that I

02:31:05.400 --> 02:31:07.400
wouldn't want to repeat or have

02:31:07.760 --> 02:31:09.760
anybody have that experience in

02:31:10.279 --> 02:31:12.279
today's world because it is not

02:31:12.515 --> 02:31:14.515
a fun experience to have is to

02:31:14.517 --> 02:31:16.517
go into water rationing.

02:31:17.453 --> 02:31:19.453
You need a motion from us today

02:31:21.190 --> 02:31:23.625
to move forward with the -- at
least the grant application or

02:31:24.270 --> 02:31:26.620
the loan application.
That just gets us into the

02:31:26.620 --> 02:31:28.397
process.
We don't have to take it.

02:31:28.531 --> 02:31:30.899
>> that's correct.
>> Mayor McComb: but if you

02:31:31.668 --> 02:31:34.269
don't ask, you don't get.
>> that's correct.
>> Mayor McComb: and you can

02:31:35.205 --> 02:31:37.307
walk away from it at any time if
we decide we're not going to do

02:31:37.307 --> 02:31:39.307
this or whatever.

02:31:39.609 --> 02:31:41.778
So you need a motion of
authorization to move forward -- 

02:31:44.648 --> 02:31:46.717
>> motion of direction, mayor.
>> Mayor McComb: and what else

02:31:46.717 --> 02:31:49.219
do we need?
>> continue pursuing for the
land.

02:31:49.219 --> 02:31:51.219
>> Mayor McComb: oh, for the

02:31:52.656 --> 02:31:54.656
land acquisition.

02:31:57.527 --> 02:31:59.463
And that's a key -- 
>> you have already given.

02:32:00.698 --> 02:32:03.330
>> Mayor McComb: the permit
application can't take place

02:32:03.367 --> 02:32:05.367
until the site is identified and

02:32:07.472 --> 02:32:09.390
secured.
So we're moving parallel.
We've pretty much finished
studying.

02:32:11.242 --> 02:32:12.675
We're setting this train on
track.

02:32:14.578 --> 02:32:16.647
And it's just a pretty exciting
day for me that's been around

02:32:21.286 --> 02:32:23.854
for a long time looking at this
thing.
I would like to call out

02:32:24.556 --> 02:32:26.556
everybody out there that's had a

02:32:27.692 --> 02:32:29.692
particular thing to play, but

02:32:30.128 --> 02:32:32.129
beck with his position is the
water development board C.E.O.

02:32:32.931 --> 02:32:34.931
Back when we started this

02:32:36.268 --> 02:32:38.470
process, got us going with the
freese and nichols and we

02:32:38.470 --> 02:32:40.972
appreciate that effort.
I hope you still have friends up

02:32:40.972 --> 02:32:43.307
there.
Tell them we can negotiate that

02:32:44.543 --> 02:32:46.543
1% down if we need to.

02:32:46.745 --> 02:32:49.647
If they really want to negotiate
in really good-faith and solve

02:32:50.216 --> 02:32:52.216
texas' water projects, we could

02:32:52.418 --> 02:32:54.418
be a demo project for them.

02:32:54.820 --> 02:32:57.456
I would entertain a motion.
>> mayor, what was the beginning

02:32:57.456 --> 02:32:59.491
of the motion?
Sorry.

02:33:01.930 --> 02:33:02.727
We heard pursuing the land and
the permitting.

02:33:05.631 --> 02:33:07.968
>> and the submission of an
application to the water

02:33:07.968 --> 02:33:09.968
development board.

02:33:10.437 --> 02:33:12.437
>> Smith: I'd like to make a

02:33:13.540 --> 02:33:15.540
motion to pursue our water

02:33:15.575 --> 02:33:18.760
development, as outlined by
staff, which includes financing,

02:33:21.247 --> 02:33:23.247
land acquisition, pursuit of the

02:33:24.830 --> 02:33:26.830
permit and that we use a 75%

02:33:27.654 --> 02:33:29.654
trigger point in our

02:33:30.190 --> 02:33:32.492
calculations for construction.
This is a motion of direction to

02:33:32.492 --> 02:33:34.460
staff.
Thank you.
>> second.

02:33:34.995 --> 02:33:36.862
>> Mayor McComb: all right.
There's a motion and a second.

02:33:41.568 --> 02:33:43.837
is there any further discussion?
Any public comment?

02:33:44.839 --> 02:33:46.839
Anybody out there that's been

02:33:47.675 --> 02:33:50.443
working on it, you want to have
any comment?

02:33:51.979 --> 02:33:53.513
Charlie, I've never known you to
be silent.

02:33:54.615 --> 02:33:56.615
>> [Off mic]

02:33:57.417 --> 02:33:59.417
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

02:33:59.420 --> 02:34:01.420
Anyone else?

02:34:03.458 --> 02:34:05.580
All right.
Well, then -- 

02:34:05.760 --> 02:34:07.760
>> just vote on it.

02:34:08.290 --> 02:34:10.163
We have a motion and a second.
>> Mayor McComb: it's got a

02:34:10.231 --> 02:34:12.231
motion and a second, right?

02:34:13.340 --> 02:34:15.340
>> yes, sir.

02:34:15.169 --> 02:34:17.673
>> can you go around the room
and vote on this, Mr. Mayor.

02:34:17.673 --> 02:34:19.840
>> Mayor McComb: let's do
that.

02:34:21.900 --> 02:34:23.900
>> for passage of the motion of

02:34:23.745 --> 02:34:25.246
direction.
[Roll call vote]

02:34:26.140 --> 02:34:27.615
>> Hernandez: mayor, point of
information.

02:34:29.517 --> 02:34:31.517
On that motion, did it include

02:34:31.553 --> 02:34:34.488
also looking at -- making sure
we're doing the financial and

02:34:35.291 --> 02:34:37.659
other aspects of this, what I
had mentioned earlier about

02:34:40.362 --> 02:34:42.163
talking to other companies about
long-term purchase agreements?

02:34:42.631 --> 02:34:44.631
>> Mayor McComb: we're still

02:34:44.733 --> 02:34:47.368
continuing to pursue other water
resources.
We haven't moved anything out.

02:34:47.970 --> 02:34:50.771
>> Hernandez: the motion of
direction is specifically on

02:34:52.742 --> 02:34:54.443
desal for permitting, land
acquisition, and financing.

02:34:55.780 --> 02:34:57.946
But if you just do that in terms
of a direction then there's no

02:34:59.882 --> 02:35:01.883
option for other options with
water, with desal.

02:35:02.251 --> 02:35:04.251
Is that what I'm understanding?

02:35:05.540 --> 02:35:07.540
>> Smith: yeah, Mr. Van vleck,

02:35:07.823 --> 02:35:10.625
are you pursuing a design build,
is that one of the options

02:35:10.761 --> 02:35:12.761
available?

02:35:13.597 --> 02:35:14.864
>> design build, design build
operate.

02:35:16.166 --> 02:35:18.166
>> Smith: as we're going

02:35:18.268 --> 02:35:21.700
ahead, design build operate -- 
>> Hernandez: and then not

02:35:21.704 --> 02:35:23.704
that.

02:35:25.675 --> 02:35:27.309
Just contract for water
purchases.

02:35:30.414 --> 02:35:32.915
Let somebody else design and
build it.
>> [Off mic]

02:35:33.830 --> 02:35:35.251
>> the key is getting the
application in and we have time

02:35:36.420 --> 02:35:38.821
to do the discussions on the
other options.
>> Hernandez: I just want to

02:35:39.523 --> 02:35:42.570
make sure that we're not
eliminating something by this

02:35:42.426 --> 02:35:44.426
motion of direction.

02:35:44.795 --> 02:35:47.197
So to make it clear, we're not
eliminating anything from this
motion.

02:35:47.498 --> 02:35:49.498
>> Mayor McComb: if you secure

02:35:50.134 --> 02:35:52.435
the land, secure the permit, and
secure the funding, then you

02:35:53.404 --> 02:35:54.871
negotiate how you get the water
running.

02:35:55.406 --> 02:35:58.420
And all options are on the
table.
>> yes, sir.

02:35:58.420 --> 02:36:00.810
>> let's call.
>> Hernandez: thank you.
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

02:36:05.383 --> 02:36:07.383
Call the roll, please.

02:36:11.489 --> 02:36:13.489
[Roll call vote]

02:36:14.192 --> 02:36:16.192
>> molina is absent.

02:36:17.328 --> 02:36:20.300
[Roll call vote]
>> the motion of direction

02:36:20.265 --> 02:36:22.401
passes.
>> Mayor McComb: all right.

02:36:22.401 --> 02:36:24.803
Well, thank you.
Thank all of you for your work

02:36:24.803 --> 02:36:27.472
out there.
I think that's great work for

02:36:27.572 --> 02:36:29.600
the community and everything
else.

02:36:31.243 --> 02:36:34.178
[Applause]
Well, with that, the council

02:36:34.946 --> 02:36:36.946
will go into executive session

02:36:37.382 --> 02:36:39.382
on items 31 and 32 per the texas

02:36:41.887 --> 02:36:43.887
government code section 551.071

02:36:45.557 --> 02:36:47.557
and 551.072.

02:37:24.348 --> 02:37:26.348
Test test is is call the city 0

02:37:26.350 --> 02:37:28.584
council meeting back in in order
due to our executive session and

02:37:30.153 --> 02:37:32.153
we completed all of the items on

02:37:32.957 --> 02:37:34.957
the council agenda with the

02:37:36.727 --> 02:37:39.462
exception of item number.
29.
>> Mayor McComb: 29, which

02:37:41.765 --> 02:37:44.701
will require us to recess the
council meeting and allow the

02:37:44.935 --> 02:37:47.370
north padre island development
corporation to have a meeting.

02:37:48.939 --> 02:37:51.475
So at this point, I will recess
the council meeting and let

02:37:52.143 --> 02:37:54.143
Mr. Smith who is the President

02:37:56.714 --> 02:37:58.714
Of the north padre island

02:37:59.150 --> 02:38:01.150
development corporation take

02:38:02.420 --> 02:38:04.420
over.

02:38:04.756 --> 02:38:07.390
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor.
All right.

02:38:08.226 --> 02:38:10.862
316 and we are going to call the
north padre island development

02:38:11.830 --> 02:38:14.531
corporation meeting to order.
Ms. Huerta, can you please call

02:38:16.735 --> 02:38:18.735
the roll.

02:38:28.614 --> 02:38:30.614
[Roll call taken]

02:38:31.250 --> 02:38:33.319
With do, we do have a or rum
present of the board to conduct

02:38:33.319 --> 02:38:35.119
the meeting.
>> thank you.

02:38:35.354 --> 02:38:37.488
First order of business the
election of officers.

02:38:37.923 --> 02:38:39.923
I would like to ask for

02:38:40.250 --> 02:38:42.560
nominations for President And
vice President.

02:38:42.629 --> 02:38:45.330
Currently greg smith is
President And joe mccomb is vice
President.

02:38:45.898 --> 02:38:48.100
>> move to reappoint.
>> second.
>> third.

02:38:48.901 --> 02:38:51.470
>> we have a motion, a second,
fall favor.

02:38:51.837 --> 02:38:54.373
Motion passes.
Next item is approval of minutes

02:38:54.373 --> 02:38:56.308
of the board meeting.
>> can we also do -- 

02:38:56.976 --> 02:38:59.544
>> I am sorry.
>> slate of officers.

02:39:01.140 --> 02:39:02.581
So we need to appoint the
officers.

02:39:05.185 --> 02:39:07.185
Currently we have Mr. Peter so

02:39:09.220 --> 02:39:10.255
no any, executive director,
zanoni.

02:39:14.394 --> 02:39:17.329
>>.. Assistant secretary, and
julie villarreal assistant
treasurer.

02:39:17.898 --> 02:39:19.898
I would like to recommend that

02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:23.159
we reapprove except with the
exception of Ms. Constance

02:39:25.239 --> 02:39:27.307
sanchez and knowledge nate
Ms. Alma casas as treasurer.

02:39:27.307 --> 02:39:29.610
..
>> so moved.

02:39:29.610 --> 02:39:32.178
>> seconded.
>> all in favor.

02:39:32.946 --> 02:39:35.248
>> motion passes.
Next item of business

02:39:42.223 --> 02:39:44.257
treasurer's report.
Last hurrah.

02:39:44.792 --> 02:39:46.792
>> that's okay with, you right?

02:39:47.561 --> 02:39:50.197
>> good afternoon. My name is
constance sanchez former
treasurer of this corporation

02:39:50.197 --> 02:39:52.197
and the financial report you

02:39:52.367 --> 02:39:54.367
have in cure packet is for the

02:39:54.836 --> 02:39:57.371
nine months ended June 30th,
2019.
You have included in your packet

02:39:57.906 --> 02:40:00.740
your balance sheet and income
statement and I have prepared

02:40:00.475 --> 02:40:02.711
for you a summary of the
financial position as of June

02:40:02.711 --> 02:40:04.711
the 30th.

02:40:05.179 --> 02:40:07.281
And if we could call up the
powerpoint I would appreciate
it.

02:40:11.820 --> 02:40:13.321
So our beginning fund balance is
$11,975,490.

02:40:14.623 --> 02:40:16.257
This was as of October the
first, 2018.

02:40:17.926 --> 02:40:19.727
For the nine months ended June
the 30th, 20 we added to that

02:40:23.598 --> 02:40:26.333
fund balance in the amount of
$4,099,896. And our ending fund

02:40:30.606 --> 02:40:31.907
balance at the end of June is
$16,075,386.

02:40:33.109 --> 02:40:35.410
We also have a balance in our
capital improvement fund at the

02:40:38.914 --> 02:40:41.149
end of June of $917,948 and be
happy to answer any questions

02:40:42.985 --> 02:40:45.821
that you May have.
>> any questions?

02:40:46.990 --> 02:40:49.792
Hearing no questions on there,
thank you.
>> thank you, yes, sir.
>> Ms. Sanchez.

02:40:50.160 --> 02:40:52.160
>> Mr. President, we also need

02:40:52.462 --> 02:40:55.630
to approve the minutes -- 
>> item number 3.

02:40:55.431 --> 02:40:58.133
Motion to approve minutes.
>> so moved.
>> second.

02:40:59.569 --> 02:41:02.537
>> all in favor.
Motion passes.

02:41:03.707 --> 02:41:06.509
Our next item is a resolution
adopting the investment policy,

02:41:06.777 --> 02:41:08.777
investment strategy for the

02:41:09.713 --> 02:41:12.314
authority padre island business
corporation.
>> good afternoon.

02:41:14.584 --> 02:41:16.485
My name is judy industrial lon,
assistant treasurer.

02:41:17.870 --> 02:41:19.421
I have a resolution adopting the
investment policy.. And

02:41:20.191 --> 02:41:22.191
investment strategies for the

02:41:22.326 --> 02:41:23.727
north padre island development
corporation.

02:41:24.562 --> 02:41:27.296
The public funds investment act
requires that the policy be

02:41:28.699 --> 02:41:31.367
adopted on an annual basis.
The north padre island

02:41:31.569 --> 02:41:33.569
development corporation

02:41:33.571 --> 02:41:35.972
investment policy and investment
strategy before you have to

02:41:37.750 --> 02:41:39.710
changes from the prior policy.
Staff is recommending passage of

02:41:42.130 --> 02:41:44.130
the resolution.

02:41:45.783 --> 02:41:48.385
>> I stand by for any questions.
>> move to approve.

02:41:48.986 --> 02:41:50.854
>> do we have a second?
>> okay.

02:41:52.223 --> 02:41:54.925
All in favor?
Motion passes.

02:41:56.495 --> 02:41:58.495
Next item is motion approving

02:42:02.167 --> 02:42:04.167
the fiscal year 2019/20 tourism

02:42:04.436 --> 02:42:06.904
budget Mr., a houlihan.
>> good afternoon.

02:42:07.439 --> 02:42:09.439
management and budget.

02:42:09.507 --> 02:42:11.175
Item number sexton north padre
island development corporation

02:42:12.780 --> 02:42:14.780
is a motion to approve the

02:42:14.547 --> 02:42:17.449
fiscal year 20 tourist 2 budget,
north padre island development

02:42:19.840 --> 02:42:21.653
corporation was established in
2002 and holds, manages the

02:42:22.788 --> 02:42:25.890
increment fund for reinvestment
zone number 2.

02:42:25.958 --> 02:42:28.760
The tourist number 2 budget does
retire annual approval by the

02:42:29.462 --> 02:42:32.364
north padre island development
corporation.
The tourist 2 board approved the

02:42:33.533 --> 02:42:36.168
budget last week on April
the 20th and now the item is

02:42:38.370 --> 02:42:40.370
before you for approval.

02:42:40.173 --> 02:42:42.173
The total, total revenues for

02:42:47.247 --> 02:42:49.181
the tourist 2 budget is
4,847,217.

02:42:49.382 --> 02:42:51.382
And the total proposed

02:42:54.921 --> 02:42:56.856
expenditures for the budget are
are 10,588,000 with an expected

02:42:59.359 --> 02:43:01.359
fund balance at the end of 2020

02:43:02.280 --> 02:43:04.196
of 8,265,000.
>> I will stand by for any

02:43:05.633 --> 02:43:07.633
questions.

02:43:08.135 --> 02:43:10.135
>> member hernandez.

02:43:11.171 --> 02:43:13.306
>> yes a quick question on the
investment income.

02:43:14.941 --> 02:43:16.941
You had budgeted 130,000, it

02:43:17.578 --> 02:43:20.790
looks like you are seeing
210,000 and you are budgeting

02:43:21.849 --> 02:43:23.850
200 if the thousand for next
year.

02:43:24.185 --> 02:43:26.920
How is in, based on the
investment policy, if we are not

02:43:27.210 --> 02:43:29.923
changing anything, what is
happening?
Is it just -- 
>> it

02:43:31.659 --> 02:43:33.659
it highly depends on when

02:43:33.828 --> 02:43:35.828
we transfer the money out for

02:43:36.530 --> 02:43:39.650
the projects of -- for 2020.
>> so we are holding 0 on the

02:43:39.134 --> 02:43:41.235
the money more, longer?
>> we probably won't be

02:43:41.570 --> 02:43:44.400
transferring the money, is what
I base that on, towards the end

02:43:44.720 --> 02:43:46.306
of the year.
But if it is transferred out

02:43:46.508 --> 02:43:48.942
earlier in the year it is
probably going -- we are

02:43:49.110 --> 02:43:50.878
probably a little high.
>> Hernandez: okay.

02:43:51.579 --> 02:43:52.780
All right.
So -- 

02:43:53.615 --> 02:43:55.615
>> and also interest rates over

02:43:57.186 --> 02:43:59.354
this last year had risen and so
 -- 
>> but they just went down.

02:43:59.354 --> 02:44:01.354
>> right.

02:44:02.591 --> 02:44:04.659
And so that is why what we had
actually -- actual income is

02:44:04.993 --> 02:44:07.229
more than we budget sod we will
have to monitor that for this
year.

02:44:07.229 --> 02:44:10.164
>> okay.
So are we going to make the 250

02:44:12.667 --> 02:44:15.437
for next year?
>>

02:44:16.500 --> 02:44:18.500
>> I wouldn't be totally

02:44:18.107 --> 02:44:20.107
confident of that, but we don't

02:44:20.710 --> 02:44:22.710
expect to expand a lot of the

02:44:22.945 --> 02:44:25.213
9 million to transfer out for
the dredging project until a

02:44:28.150 --> 02:44:30.840
little bit later in the year.
But -- 
>> Hernandez: thank you.

02:44:30.819 --> 02:44:33.689
>> you're welcome.
>> and any further questions?

02:44:33.924 --> 02:44:35.924
I would like to make one comment

02:44:36.590 --> 02:44:38.590
to the public.

02:44:38.361 --> 02:44:40.361
We had our tourist 2 board

02:44:40.863 --> 02:44:43.732
meeting last week and we
discussed this in pretty

02:44:44.330 --> 02:44:47.200
extensive detail so even though
we are going through this

02:44:48.404 --> 02:44:50.940
quickly today, the tourist
2 board which consists of

02:44:54.578 --> 02:44:56.578
everybody here plus dell par

02:44:58.681 --> 02:45:01.284
representatives, and county
representatives we went through
item by item the budget,
treasurer's report, et cetera.
Thank you, Mr. Houlihan.

02:45:01.284 --> 02:45:03.284
>> thank you.

02:45:05.722 --> 02:45:07.724
Next item of business is public
comment.
i am sorry.

02:45:08.993 --> 02:45:10.993
We have a motion by member

02:45:11.620 --> 02:45:13.630
hunter.
Second.
Anybody second?

02:45:13.397 --> 02:45:15.397
>> second.

02:45:16.200 --> 02:45:18.200
>> all in favor.

02:45:18.202 --> 02:45:20.202
The motion passes.

02:45:21.138 --> 02:45:24.730
Next item of business is public
comment, if anybody could like

02:45:24.242 --> 02:45:26.243
to speak on anything you have
three minutes.

02:45:31.916 --> 02:45:33.116
Hearing none, on there, it is
3:23.

02:45:56.741 --> 02:45:58.741
Meeting adjourned.

02:45:59.378 --> 02:46:02.213
The last item on our agenda is
identify future agenda items.

02:46:02.581 --> 02:46:04.581
Anybody got any?

02:46:05.618 --> 02:46:07.819
>> we will reconvene -- 
>> Mayor McComb: oh, yes.

02:46:07.920 --> 02:46:09.920
We will reconvene.

02:46:10.989 --> 02:46:12.989
Now that we have reconvened do

02:46:13.325 --> 02:46:15.325
you have any ideas.

02:46:16.195 --> 02:46:17.496
You can't think if you not
reconvened.

02:46:18.631 --> 02:46:20.631
Hearing none, the meeting

02:46:22.168 --> 02:46:24.168
adjourned.

02:47:24.698 --> 02:47:26.835
>>
[Positive music]
(Yvette Garcia-Jones)
The rainy season is upon us

02:47:26.835 --> 02:47:29.470
and that spells
trouble for drivers,
here are a few tips
to keep you safe

02:47:29.804 --> 02:47:31.338
on the road during the rain.
Slow down, reducing speed

02:47:33.141 --> 02:47:34.475
is the first way to stay safe
on wet roads.

02:47:35.243 --> 02:47:36.777
Plan to leave earlier to avoid
traffic and add some time

02:47:38.279 --> 02:47:39.713
to account for lower speeds.
Keep a safe distance

02:47:40.648 --> 02:47:42.115
from other cars,
twice the reaction time

02:47:42.884 --> 02:47:44.484
for braking is required
when driving in wet conditions.

02:47:45.821 --> 02:47:47.154
Leave more safety cushion
between your car

02:47:47.856 --> 02:47:49.390
and the traffic in front of you.
Check your car, make sure

02:47:50.659 --> 02:47:52.126
your wipers are in good
condition, your tires

02:47:52.695 --> 02:47:54.804
are properly inflated,
and your lights and brakes

02:47:55.664 --> 02:47:58.467
are working.
Start your wipers when
the first drop of rain begins
and use your lights

02:47:58.467 --> 02:48:00.670
other drivers can see you.
If you find yourself skidding

02:48:01.470 --> 02:48:02.871
on wet pavement, don't panic.
Take your foot off